• CosmoNova@lemmy.world
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    19 hours ago

    Gee I wonder why people criticize China for treating workers like crap. Is it the sweatshops or the Uyghur camps? It‘s a mystery.

    • blargh513@sh.itjust.works
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      19 hours ago

      There is a big push for pro China propaganda I keep noticing.

      Be smart people, it hasn’t changed from the china you knew five years ago. Same dude still running it.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        4 hours ago

        You should also be careful not to automatically go the complete opposite direction just because said propaganda exists.

        I imagine the truth is somewhere in the middle.

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        19 hours ago

        China is the same, but the western world is in a race to the bottom so at least we can wave to them as we pass them on the way down.

      • David_Eight@lemmy.world
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        19 hours ago

        I think its that people see all the shitty things their own country does and realize that its not really and better. Especially if your an American and your tax dollars are used to fund a genocide for Israel and concentration camps in the US. Neither country has any morale high ground.

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          19 hours ago

          Probably not the case for the original creator of the post, who seems to live in China.

          MBFC for Caixin Global:

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            7 hours ago

            Lol MBFC, the website that calls CNN a left leaning source. Might as well ask rats what they think of cats.

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            13 hours ago

            Media Bias Fact Check is, in itself, biased. Still, this rating isn’t that bad. They aren’t the best source (if you assume MBFC is honest), but far from the worst.

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              12 hours ago

              You may not be wrong, and I understand what you’re trying to convey, but I don’t think I could’ve conjured a more lukewarm response.

              Do you have any alternatives you consider less biased? Claiming this, or anything like it, has its own biases seems needlessly tautological.

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                10 hours ago

                It’s not tautological, especially as it purports to be a standard of truth. If it were tautological, that claim would be nonsense.

                Anyway, there are other alternatives. I do know there was a time where you’d be heavily criticized on Lemmy for using MBFC, as they’re fairly heavily neo-liberal/status-quo biased.

                However, I’m not proposing to use one of those alternatives either though (though they may be better). I’m stating that the “MBFC says this” argument is pretty weak. It’s not engaging with the actual content, or trying to check it. It’s purely, at best, an ad hominem in an attempt to dismiss it, without concern for what it says. You’re allowed to use your own brain on occasion. You don’t have to fall back on someone else telling you if you’re allowed to engage with something or not.

      • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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        11 hours ago

        It started as pure propaganda but got adopted by all of the basement dwellers living of social support in the west who turned China’s propaganda into a lifestyle (aka tankies)

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      18 hours ago

      Maybe it’s the fact that every Chinese citizen is registered in the province of their birth, and can only draw social services in the province of their birth. All social services are paid for at the province level, and rich provinces do not subsidize poor provinces.

      Citizens are legally barred from changing this registration except in cases of extreme wealth. The thing is, there are lots of jobs in the rich provinces and no jobs in the poor ones, so you have a permanent legal underclass who is exploited to make the lives of about 15% of the population seem pretty good.

      That 15% is the ones who get free healthcare, unemployment, and generally all of the workers rights. The rest get shit all.

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        The problem with China is all of the fundamental lies that conflict each other. It’s communist but also the most capitalist, it’s free and citizen focused but also you have to sacrifice all of your rights and no complaining, it’s unified but also you can’t leave your province.

        It’s a generic authoritarian playbook that somehow tricked a bunch of people with red flags and prettu uniforms as if it’s something more than that.

        For me the litmus test is always freedom of information. No country is “for the people” while keeping people purposefully in the dark. Either it’s a lie or extreme incompetence - neither should be taken as anything other but that.

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        Yeah, there do exist not only class struggle but also regional supremacism and what appears to be localized form of xenophobia, that is, some groups of Chinese detest others, including economic migrants from other parts of the country.

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      The “Uyghur camps” are bullshit, the only countries claiming otherwise have spent the past 50+ years indiscriminately imprisoning and bombing innocent muslims around the world, zero credibility