Ain’t nothing wrong with fusion cuisine.
This is also a grocery store Philly Roll. We’re already past simple fusion and into some Red Giant Helium-to-Oxygen shit. If my man wants some ranch, then so be it. He’s not denying himself an unsullied cross-cultural experience.
Isn’t that more of a California Roll? Around here, a philly roll is salmon, cream cheese and cucumber, no sauce.
Standard Philly roll is raw salmon, cream cheese, and avocado, but some places do it differently while maintaining the name. The only hard requirements are salmon (some places even use smoked salmon and call it a Philly roll, which I disagree with, but whatever) and cream cheese.
I’m not disagreeing with you, cuz I don’t know, but wikipedia says:
A Philadelphia roll is a makizushi (also classified as a kawarizushi)[1] type of sushi generally made with smoked (or sometimes raw) salmon, cream cheese, and cucumber, with the rice on the outside (uramaki).[2] It is sometimes made with imitation crab instead of salmon, but can be found to include other ingredients, such as other types of fish,[3] cucumber,[4] scallions,[5] and sesame seed. Like many Western-inspired sushi rolls, its design and name are modified to target an American market, which includes putting the rice on the outside, and the nori in the inside (inside-out sushi) to appeal to western aesthetics.[6][7]
I wonder why the inside out roll is supposed to appeal more to westerners. As a westerner, I don’t mind the nori on the outside.
I didn’t think I would care, but now that I’ve had both many times I absolutely prefer the rice on the outside.
I caught that too. I think it’s the dark color on the outside? They sell onigiri in a lot of our grocery stores and I’ve only seen them covered with opaque wrappings. That’s why I think it’s correct, but I’m not sure. It could also seem less chewy when it’s on the outside because there’s more to stretch? Just guessing.
Having only thought about it just now, I do prefer the flavor and texture of biting into rice first as opposed to seaweed first.
Wow. Time for me to make an edit because that is some bullshit.
It is sometimes made with imitation crab instead of salmon
I can’t even imagine where this came from because I have never encountered this and I have been eating sushi all over the world. It is never made with imitation crab.
Sounds like my Chipotle burrito is a Philadelphia roll
Last time I got a Philadelphia roll, it was smoked salmon and boy was I disappointed. The smokey flavor overpowered everything. Defeats the entire purpose of sushi imo
Around here (Texas), it’s the cream cheese and smoked salmon that make a place call it a Philly Roll, and the avocado vs cucumber varies by restaurant. Avocado is pretty popular though, because anything that evokes Tex-Mex will find an audience.
I’ve never seen that around here. I bet it’s delicious though.
I think I see salmon, cream cheese, and guac, so neither?
Oh you’re right. If the avacado hadn’t darkened, I would think that was good.
My favorite fusions:
Sushi Burritos
California Burritos
Kimchi Mac N Cheese
Chicken tikka masala pizza
Kimchi Mac N Cheese
Mac & kim-cheese.
Kimchi grilled cheese is a very tasty and very easy lunch!
Kimchi and blue cheese quesadillas are fantastic.
Now that’s a stanky quesadilla
Yo…
Ah this just reminded me that last year I had a kimchi Reuben sandwich, and it was outstanding. Subbed in kimchi instead of sauerkraut.
Pricey as fuck though.
Curry pizzas sound like a bad idea till you realize a lot of curries are just pizza ingredients that you put on bread.
it’s curry and naan with fewer steps.
And controversial opinion: I prefer mozzarella to paneer for curry
Baltimore has palak paneer pizza with mozzarella AND paneer.
That doesn’t surprise me, Baltimore is awesome
It’s also not as big a leap as one might think. There are all kinds of chaat that are basically small rounds of bread that are just wrecked with toppings. They may as well be pizza with 100% Indian street food ingredients.
Kimchi Mac N Cheese
For those reading and thinking “what the actual fuck”, don’t knock it until you’ve tried it. This is in steady rotation at my place. You’d think American cheese is a bad fit for asian food, but budae jjigae has been a staple comfort dish in Korea since the war and proudly boasts this flavor combo.
Anyway, this dish is incredible. The kimchi funk is mellowed by the other ingredients and contributes acid, spice, and seasoning to the overall dish for practically zero effort.
Top and finish as you like. Here, we like to take it deeper into East Asia by adding chopped green onions, fried shallots, peanuts, and chili crisp.
You make boxed mac and add a spoonful of kimchi after?
Yes, but more like “kimchi to taste”. For the typical Kraft box, I’d say more like half a cup of kimchi, but please do sneak up on what you think is a good amount if its your first time. For reference, a lot of Korean dishes serve at least a quarter-cup per serving.
I will never knock anything with kimchi in it. That shit is so goddamn good
Edit: holy shit I just clicked that link lol… Looks like the kind of dish that I would make at 4am, stoned, in college. Just throw everything I’ve got in a bowl and mix it up.
And that is not a criticism haha. Looks insane
I think you hit the nail on the head there. IMO, it’s very much late-night drinking/partying food. It’s right up there with the Rochester Garbage Plate, Jumbo Slice in downtown D.C., or those hotdogs they serve on the street in Reykjavík.
Kimchi Mac N Cheese
Do it. It’s incredible.
Kebab pizza is also good.
Chicken Tikka Masala burrito! Holds the sauce so good!
Also, California burritos are fusion? Burrito is a Californian invention, and French fries are pretty American (sorry Belgium).
Edit: apparently I’m mistaken. I was under the impression that burritos were an invention of the California Gold Rush (distinct from tacos and using flour & lard tortillas).
The California Gold Rush was literally right after the territory was ceded from Mexico, so even if burittos had come from then they might as well have been still effectively Mexican anyway.
Yeah, I definitely used Californian instead of American there with that in mind. I wouldn’t want to give credit to the white man for burritos.
Chicken Tikka Masala burrito! Holds the sauce so good!
Definitely going to try that with some sour cream and salsa
Also, California burritos are fusion? Burrito is a Californian invention, and French fries are pretty American (sorry Belgium).
Burritos are Mexican, Fries are American, thus the fusion into a California Burrito containing a protein + fries + guacamole and salsa.
Souce: Southern California Native.
Side note, I miss Dunkirk and Antwerp lol… That’s where I got introduced to Carbonade flamande. Now I make it at home using Chimey ale, throw some cilantro/coriander in there with belgian fries and parmesan on top… So good.
As a fellow Southern California native, I’m now extra intrigued that you consider California Burrito to be fusion. I’ve lived in San Diego for over 40 years and have always considered it local cuisine, the fusion aspect never crossed my mind.
If you’re still around, this is the place that made the chicken tikka masala burrito:
As a fellow Southern California native, I’m now extra intrigued that you consider California Burrito to be fusion. I’ve lived in San Diego for over 40 years and have always considered it local cuisine, the fusion aspect never crossed my mind.
We San Diegans have to remember that San Diego is unique in that it was once part of Mexico and Spain before that, so our local cuisine comes to us already infused. That doesn’t mean it’s not fusion food though. My wife, a native born Mexican has dragged me half across Mexico to see her family and it is in those trips where I realized certain foods are undeniably Mexican in their roots. From Burritos to corn tortilla tacos, they’re mexican. However, french fries are not, thus fusion cuisine.
Having lived in Chula Vista now for 26 years, I’ve learned two food facts:
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Cesar Salad was invented in Tijuana and came to Chula Vista second in the 1930s
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The California Burrito was invented in San Ysidro in the 1980s.
If you’re still around, this is the place that made the chicken tikka masala burrito:
https://www.masalastreetsandiego.com/
I’ll give it a shot next time I head up
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I think the biggest thing aboot poutine isnt that poutine is amazing. It’s that it unlocked some amazing fusions.
Butter chicken poutine.
Chicken shawarma poutine.
Vindaloo poutine.It’s all good.
If it’s saucy and tastes good with cheese, poutine it. It will be amazing.
And you can even say that poutine is a fusion food. Potatoes are a new world food and cheese is an old world food.
Plus don’t fuck with my poutine, you are dangerously close to pineapple.
Make better*
I’ve seen photos of sushi burritos on menus, but I’m always confused as to how you’re supposed to eat it? Do you pick it up and bite into it like a burrito? And it doesn’t immediately fall apart?
Sushi burritos are basically a giant sushi roll you eat like a hand roll or sushi rolls.
If the burrito is say two pieces only, pick it up, pour your preferred sauce on top and bite.
If the burrito is more than two pieces, it’s now a giant sushi roll you can eat with chopsticks or a fork.
Try one! They’re delicious.
I’m just trying to imagine biting into a giant sushi roll and tearing, without it breaking and falling apart… Have you ever tried eating a regular sushi roll in more than one bite? That shit does not tear cleanly.
That’s why I prefer to make them at home where I use rice flour tortillas instead of seaweed as the outter casing. Holds up like a real burrito, but tastes just as good as the seaweed ones. Also allows me to lighten the rice layer and add other stuff.
Of course you can just be lazy and throw two sushi rolls inside a rice flour tortilla, sprinkle it with some soy and cock sauce, wrap it up and enjoy too.
Musubi works fine and that’s not too different from a burrito. Presumably less structurally sound, even.
That roll has cream cheese inside. It’s already considered a capital offense in Japan.
That’s my thought. There’s nothing more offensive about ranch than using cream cheese.
I used to live in Japan, and from what I could see, Japanese people aren’t fundamentally opposed to the concept of sushi with weird ingredients. They simply just don’t think it’s normal sushi.
Right? I’m Canadian. Poutine is a culture here, especially Quebec (Where I lived for a short time). Poutine is straight fries, fresh cheese curds, and gravy. That’s it.
You can totally add whatever you want to it. Plenty of restaurants exist to make pulled pork or extra loaded poutine. Want to add green onions? Ceaser dressing? Tater tots? Have at er, bud. Just don’t call it a traditional poutine.
I make sushi at home. I used to work in a sushi shop full time. We had all the traditional rolls for people but also some off the cuff ones like with cream cheese and such.
It’s like people watched Jiro: Dreams of Sushi and assumed that all sushi in Japan is like that
Not really. Just like no one gets offended when Japan use squid ink in burger buns, or put noodles in a baguette/hot dog bun.
If the Japanese stop putting salmon out I’ll believe their silly rules.
Japan’s most popular fairly-priced national sushi chain is doing things much more wild than ranch on a rotating monthly basis. Every time I’m in Japan for work I stop in to Sushiro just to see what they’re doing this month that would make American weebs angry.
Don’t yuck other peoples yum. As long as it’s legal.
What Nazis were doing was legal at the time.
And I will bravely yuck the Nazis’ yum.
So brave.
Truly one of the people of all time
I’d wear that on a t-shirt
Dear God Godwin wasn’t fucking kidding.
Also, point of fucking order here, the Nazis absolutely committed crimes to come in to power and orchestrated an illegal power grab.
I think they were being facetious
They did illegal things in order to get the power to legalize those previously illegal things though.
No it wasn’t.
We can make light jokes about unusual food combinations. Pretty weird how defensive people are of this obvious food crime.
God when can we stop pretending to give a shit about how people eat?
I’m sure if we keep pretending to care about people putting pineapple on pizza just one more time it will finally be funny, right?
The best one is people getting upset over putting ketchup on a hotdog. It’s a fucking hotdog, it’s completely insane to act like a snob over the condiments people put onto mystery meat.
Man don’t even talk to me about the stupidity of the anti-ketchup cult, as if ketchup isn’t a brilliant condiment crafted through human iteration that literally traces over a thousand years to roots in ancient Roman garum and BCE Chinese fermented fish sauces! But yeah sure dude who has read 4 books in his life, tell me about how ketchup is “basic.”
Pop culture opinions are so fucking stupid.
You seem like fun.
They do actually seem like someone who prefers people be less judgmental and would be likely fun to hang with
Yeah, if you want to hang out with people who turn every instance of non-serious, light teasing into the something it obviously isn’t… but I wouldn’t. Those people are annoying as fuck and looking for any possible excuse to self-righteous douchebags.
Lemmy thinks the OP actually called HR on this dude
Almost certain the post is meant as a joke.
Punching down is generally not a good way to go about comedy.
Do you have any idea what “punching down” means, whatsoever?
Jesus fucking christ, you relentless blowhards turn everything into something it’s not. It’s a lighthearted joke about food preferences, who fuckin cares, you goddamn drama queens.
Yeah let me be clear because that dude was wrong, I am not remotely offended by this dumb meme. I think it’s fucking lame and pointless, but that’s it. I’m calling people who upvote this shit idiotic sheep with awful taste, but I’m definitely not clutching any pearls.
This isn’t punching down it’s just razzing someone’s questionable food choice.
I read that Europeans here for the World Cup are crazy for ranch dressing. Seems odd that they don’t already have it, given all the American junk food franchises over there.
We can buy ranch in the UK but its a very new thing. And very american, bit fatty for me tbh.
They have our franchises but they aren’t that popular for the most part. The American section of the grocery stores I’ve been to over there is like 1 shelf that’s half full of candy and potato chips. And that section only exists in the larger stores.
Ranch dressing is basically sour cream and European culture is already high in sour cream, so
In the distance, Japanese sirens.
I’ve never considered this, but now I sort of want to try it.
Yeah the moment I read it, it was less “ewww” and more “huh, I wonder…”
I mean, it’s ranch.
If you’re gonna be weird about it and go away from soy sauce, use blue cheese.
A big ol dab of tartar sauce on that fishiness.
Q: How do you get a blow job in Texas? A: Dip it in ranch
It’s pre-packaged grocery store sushi. Dipping it in ranch is the only way it tastes good.
prepackaged American sushi. the ranch is not just an option, it’s a requirement.
That appears to be an Alaska roll. It already has cream cheese but still probably dry on account of the source. Soy sauce would be fine.
Those “fancy” sushi at restaurants that have the orange sauce drizzled over them in a fancy pattern? That’s mostly mayo, which is in the same family as ranch. I wouldn’t do it, but it’s not as insane as it first appears.
Gatekeeping
Or its a meme.
Yes, as we all know no one ever takes jokes too far to the point of electing them president of a powerful nation.
Lol wow, equating this to trump is wild af
It’s yucking yums
Seriously. Let people do their crazy shit. It isn’t hurting anyone else.
You want ketchup with steak? Go crazy.
Hey guga did a ketchup dry aged steak and got a decent experience out of it
Til gatekeeping = non-insane opinion.
Having an opinion isn’t gatekeeping. Forcing others to have your opinion is.
Ah yes, jokes are force. This is a good point.
Are you unaware that punching down is generally frowned upon these days?
Lol punching down is now teasing people for unpopular opinions? What a weird claim. I hope that’s a joke.
I mean… Maybe we shouldn’t jump to conclusions here? I’d give it a go lol
Also, it looks like Philadelphia roll, so might actually go well together.
What about Kewpie mayo mixed with organic buttermilk?
Maybe add some sour cream and this legitimately how I make my ranch and blue cheese dressings. So fucking good.
Another good version that I learned from a sushi place is cream with a touch of wasabi and salt. So good.
I’m l getting sushi later, I’ll have to try that when I get home (assuming leftovers).
They had it for the salad, but I couldn’t let it go to waste and it really is delicious.
I put it on a poke bowl, was delicious!
I had to look up the right ratios online… apparently you can also use sour cream 🤔
I’m glad it was delicious, a poke bowl is a great idea. Sour cream seems wrong, but I’ve been surprised by that stuff before.
I feel like I’m the only one who doesn’t like Kewpie mayo.
I looooove Japanese food, but I dunno. Just doesn’t do it for me.
?! They came up with the Genova convention for this to never happen again iirc
It’s the Vagina Convention.
well that’s all the way over in Swotzarland
Midwest. - I should note I am from the Midwest as well. Self deprivation is all good. Trolling people and saying “No culture” doesn’t help. Just creates animosity.
Even worse. Given the boot, the sliver of woodland green MARPAT camo, and the ID card reader in the keyboard, this is some dumb ass Marine.
Thats not just sushi dipped in ranch. Thats PX gas station sushi dipped in ranch.
Don’t forget the blue silicone wedding ring. They pushed those at the BX/PX as a way to show your marital status without taking your valuable ring to a deployed site.
Just Americans.
They have no culture.
Your ignorance is showing.
People love to claim we have no culture then complain about our culture being too prevalent. The post in question is someone dipping an American interpretation of Japanese food (the Philadelphia sushi roll) into a sauce (ranch dressing) so ironically American it can be used in fiction as a shorthand for a person or place being heavily influenced by American culture
I’m not American. Other than murdering children overseas and being fat, what culture does America have?
What culture do you have?
See how that’s an impossible question to answer?
What culture do you have?
Basketball, Hockey, Lacrosse, Curling in sport. Maple Syrup, Poutine, Donairs, with food. Multiculturalism is accepted in Canada instead of a melting pot in America. We accept other cultures here while you expect them to integrate into Americanism.
I could go on. There’s a reason you responded with a “Well what about?” instead of actually defending Americal culture, which literally doesn’t exist.
America is literally a global leech. Takes everything and contributes nothing.
Canada? Ask every other International country. We can wear our flag on our body wherever we go. You wear anything American? You get spit on.
The world fucking hates you. Maybe comments like this is why.
We can wear our flag on our body wherever we go. You wear anything American? You get spit on.
Tell me something I don’t know lol. Anyways, I see I was completely right about you not being worth my time to write a thoughtful response to.
Only an idiot would assume 300million people are all the same. I’m not an idiot so you don’t see me blaming a random native of Canada for running residential schools. That would be stupid, and exactly what you sound like.
Oh I absolutely despise Residential Schools. And I’ll own that. And I’ll totally condemn the history of my country for them. My brother and his family is Anishinaabe and I am a sworn accepted member of their family, so I am very well aware of the strife and pain those people went though. I spent a lot of my childhood on indigenous land and spending time during events, pow wows, and major spiritual events.
Something you and 350 million Americans seems to fail to do on a daily basis is owning your own failure. You need to be the best country in the world. Whatever sporting event you’re at you need to chant “USA! USA! USA!” You elect governments who ruin the lives of hundreds of millions of people world wide every year.
So spare me. My gas prices in Canada are because of you. My food prices in Canada are because of you. Global inflation is literally because of you. The majority of the world’s financial and economic issues are because of America.
And while my Canadian upbringing requires me to apologize for this, all of this is because of the 350 million Americans who allowed all of this to happen over decades.
America is why the world is dog shit. And I cannot wait for all the Trump tariffs to cut any imports to America and I hope you all starve. America has literally nothing to export. Nothing of value any other country can’t get elsewhere. You’re a leech on the global economy and I am happy to see you as a nation suffer.
Maybe then you’ll rise up and put your 2nd amendment to example and erase the tyranny you duly elected.
Non exhaustive
Culinary culture: ranch dressing, macaroni and cheese, cheeseburgers, chowders, various fusion and reinterpretation foods (such as tex mex, cali mex, and American Chinese food)
Musical culture: jazz, rap, blues, rock and roll
Clothing culture: blue jeans, t shirts as outerwear, western style clothing
Traditional celebrations: a variety of sporting events, high school dance celebrations such as homecoming and prom, independence day celebrations (fireworks, cookouts, and outdoor activities are traditional)
Game culture: baseball and gridiron football
Is there an aspect of culture in specific you’d like to accuse us of not having?
Literally none of those originate from the USA.
Fuck me, Americans really think they invented everything. Just because you made them popular because you stole culture from another country doesn’t mean you invented it.
various fusion and reinterpretation foods (such as tex mex, cali mex, and American Chinese food)
This is an actual defence of “America has no culture” and an example is literally taking other cultures and fucking to up to make your own. Your culture is literally ripping off other cultures and claiming them yours.
Perfect representation of “America has no culture” if I do say so myself.
To begin with, please read the origins section here. Now, where the fuck do you think jazz originates‽ Who the fuck else would be making a national holiday of the united states declaration of independence‽
Apparently several things I listed originated in the UK, which is fair, we’re deeply culturally similar. But I repeat, you really think anyone other than Americans invented jazz music?
You’re coming in here starting with your base opinion (America bad and can do nothing worthy of even mild redemption). Yeah a lot of our culture comes from fusion and reinterpretation, it’s been barely 500 years since the European rediscovery of the continent. We’re a nation of immigrants that’s 250 years old. Do you think poutine isn’t sufficiently Canadian? If it is, in what way is it different in how much creativity and innovation needed for the US to create basketball?
I assume nothing originating with native American culture will count to you, so no lacrosse. I suspect you’ll also not count roasted turkey (a north American bird prepared in a European style) served alongside mashed potatoes (incans and brits can argue over who invented them) with turkey gravy, and a dinner of pumpkin and pecan pies (north American plants, European cooking) in a family focused feast themed around giving thanks on the 3rd Thursday of November (originally suggested by Abraham Lincoln, honoring a mythical dinner between colonists and natives, and later made annual by Franklin Roosevelt), despite this being an annual celebration nobody else does, with traditional foods tied to the dual European and North American identity of our country, that’s steeped in history both real and mythological and cultural values such as thanks, family, and gluttony.
But also as I’m typing this out, I’m realizing invention and uniqueness aren’t even remotely necessary for something to be considered an important part of culture. Basically every European loves to consider beer (or wine) and bread an important part of their culture and yet all three of these things originated in Mesopotamia. Or is the slight variation in your beers significantly more important than our radical remaining of Chinese food or Cincinnati chili (go ahead, blame someone else for that).
And in what way is it fair to say only Mexico has a cultural claim to chili con carne or only the Taino can consider barbecue part of their culture. Both of these are significant centerpieces to gatherings and local identity in their respective regions.
And we aren’t fucking up these things, we’re adapting them to our tastes and consuming them ourselves. That’s how cultural exchange and evolution happen.
May I intoduce you to the cinematic masterpiece known as The Fast and the Furious?
Okay. I’ll give you this one.
Is this a meme too?
Nah, just International reality.
Americans are cultural leeches.