So, OS-level age-gating is going federal, which will effectively kill your rights to device ownership and what’s left of free speech and expression.
Enjoy your free speech while you still have it because this is a clear attempt to erase that right.
SOPA never died, it just went into hiding until time to reemerge, and now’s that time, this is basically SOPA in a save the kids trenchcoat.
If they wanna start a hot revolution it is coming.
Motherfuckers want this so they can more easily find kiddies to groom and rape.
Start selling the narrative folks, this is not gonna be a clean war
Fair.
They can’t even arrest the pedophiles in government but they want to mass surveil us for everything.
The rules have always been for us, not for them.
The police are enforcers for the elites, they don’t stop crime, they extract fines from people and provide a deterrent to anyone standing up for themselves.
I know but we outnumber them a million to one so we don’t actually have to put up with this
With what organization? The left is too busy with shit like tone policing for any cohesive narrative to take root.
Turns out when your brain is filled with no-no words that effectively act as thought terminating cliches you end up being unable to effectively communicate with people you disagree with. Crazy how the far right simply does not have this problem, no? Granted they aren’t really for ‘discussion’ or ‘debate’ or ‘deliberation’ in the same way leftists are, and their thought terminating cliches are much worse; climate change being one of the big ones.
US left is way too disorganized, but this isn’t because of “”“tone policing”“” (no you cannot say slurs) or debating the specifics of ideals (of course the right doesn’t do this, they have no ideals, don’t copy the child rapists).
It’s because of, among other things, a decades-long operation to systemically crack communities, down to there being basically no infrastructure to even meet up at except the library or church, and also to keep everyone so exhausted and distracted they don’t bother trying.
Solving problem #1 is harder but problem #2 involves communicating with people locally who you can actually work with (marginalized groups aren’t going to work with violent bigots, if this annoys you, talk to the bigots yourself) and joining local orgs to meet needs – rent/utilities assistance, building community toolboxes and fridges, generally moving people away from “barely surviving” so they can actually develop an interest in leftist ideals
There is absolutely hyper-fixation on identity politics over material conditions. This has been an intentional project to move the realm of political discourse and conflict to the immaterial.
Yes, not being a bigoted asshole matters, but also it’s a wedge issue that absolutely moves otherwise poor, oppressed people away from solidarity. I don’t know how you bridge the problem, but as long as those people are on the other side, that’s a problem, and you ignore it at your peril.
Yeah I have no issue with not saying slurs (and saying I can’t say slurs is fucking dumb, I choose not to because I understand why I shouldn’t — not because trogs on their high horses tell me no), my problem is that you took the phrase ‘shit like tone policing’ and immediately assumed this must be the singular problem I have with how the left communicates. Thus spurring on an entire comment on why the left doesn’t communicate with the right.
I’m not suggesting the left communicate with the right, at all. I’m suggesting the left needs to learn how to communicate amongst itself because things like no no words end up functioning as thought terminating cliches — see your entire comment for reference.
I understand what you’re saying, but this is an issue that mostly exists between (don’t like this term much but can’t think of a better one) extremely terminally-online leftists who do not organize.
Going offline, this is generally just not an issue, the orgs filled with people who just argue over theory also don’t do much and shouldn’t be listened to. It’s a large movement and there are bound to be people who are unfortunately less effective.
I didn’t bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it’s not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don’t like anymore (which isn’t an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)
I didn’t bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it’s not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don’t like anymore (which isn’t an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)
Please don’t get me wrong, my motivations were not ‘both sides’ or something along those lines. Maybe not obviously, but it’s clear to me that we both believe the side bringing measles back is the wrong one.
My problem is that these terminally online leftist spaces end up being the narrative sent to (or experienced by) the brainwashed masses on the right. Simply not engaging with an online space is ineffective when trying to combat their manipulation of word of mouth messaging.
I’m not trying to argue for the right to say slurs. Unless they’re directed at conservatives, then I’m conflicted.
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This bill is being pushed by Meta and they are NOT going to stop with age verification. It is not about “protecting children” and it never has been. It’s always been about surveillance and control. Meta wants to know who you are, where you are, what you buy, what you download, who you associate with and what your politics are.
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If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.
Meta is pushing this because their platforms are overrun by bots. Ironically because partly of the AI tools they have created. And advertisers have caught up and aren’t willing to pay top dollars anymore on Meta’s platforms. Hence why Meta desperately wants a way to proof that their traffic comes from real people.
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I’ve seen a lot of people saying how this will be unenforceable and so isn’t something we need to worry about.
Except this could be enforced. Google came out with a proposal a few years ago for a method of validating the a request came from a “trusted” (aka, signed and with secure boot enabled OS), ostensibly to combat bot traffic. They dropped it after push back, but it still provides a blueprint for how this could be enforced.
https://github.com/explainers-by-googlers/Web-Environment-Integrity
If web platforms are mandated by law to enforce something like this then the web could be effectively restricted to only approved operating systems. There could still be a dark web, but with the weight of the law behind it, once anything gained momentum access to it could be shut down at the service provider layer.
This shouldn’t be dismissed as a threat because it’s “unenforceable”, because it is.
And written by a Democrat. They really have become useless. First they regularly forget that they are opposition for a reason, and now they even betray their voters with the most stupid law humans can cook up.
They’re bought and paid for by basically all the big industries just like the GOP.
Or a parent could, I don’t know, just parent their own kids instead of expecting the government to.
I got so many downvotes last time I suggested this, it was just comical to me how many people get pissed at the implication that they aren’t watching their kids, while not watching their kids.
“Parents Decide Act”
Yet text of it has basically nothing about parents in it, just government data collection lol
Parents ALREADY decided. They decided they didn’t give enough of a shit to use the parental controls already available to them. No legitimate reason to push this shit on everyone else.
These companies made parental controls abysmal to use, so they can count children’s traffic as adult viewers for ad revenue(on both sides of the bill).
maybe for you…but not for me.
I’ll switch back to a dumb phone and run a Linux distro so obscure nobody’s seen it for 25 years.
fuck em. I’ll never comply with this shit.
Step 1: make some kind of surveillance & control system that is voluntary
Step 2: make life for those who dont want it less convenient (you are here)
Step 3: make non-participation in the system be in itself suspicious and a cause for further investigation
still have no idea how they will implement this, with phones that can be rooted or running something like lineageOS or others.
But in any case, I am glad I am not from the US.
The EU is pushing very similar things…
Literally Meta has been caught paying people through shell orgs all around the world to pass this kind of legislation.
To paraphrase someone:
You need to win every time. I need you to lose only once.
Anyone thinking that this won’t pass this time, or next year, or the year after that or the year… They will push this as a new thing, wrapping the same bullshit lies in a new paper each time…
Eventually it’ll pass, it always does. All they need is patience
The only possible cou ter to this is to enshrine the right to own a computer and internet access into your constitution or something like that.
You need to win every time. I need you to lose only once.
We Europeans are well aware because of the Chat Control that they are trying to push here.
We have to be vigilant and fight every fight.
Never give up.
Wouldn’t this just be unenforceable for any Linux distros not directly owned/maintained by a US-based corporation? I don’t really see how they could force a distro to comply, unless they start going after individual maintainers who live in the US.
They have many ways to do this if they want:
- go after US entities, like the Linux Foundation. They only need to go after enough to make them fall in line
- Make it illegal to distribute non compliant systems, including downloads
- Make it illegal to operate or even possess a non compliant system
Even if they don’t go after individuals they can do a lot of damage in restricting trade and business use of something. The mere threat of legal action is though to make business owners nope out.
It’s already risky to draw attention to yourself by using privacy focused phones when traveling. It’s the ultimate “if your have nothing to hide why are you worried” situation.
They’re forcing legitimate users to either give up or go underground and risk being seen as criminals.
Canadian here. If I can’t find a Linux distro that will not comply with this bullshit law, I’ll use my GrapheneOS phone and nothing else. Wouldn’t be the first time in my life I used a phone for everything.
Artix straight-up refused, and I presume antiX’s general stance is against age-gating as they proudly state their anti-fascist stance in their tagline, and as far as I’m aware Devuan is against age-gating as well. I also can assume Parabola and Hyperbola are against this as well.
And then of course Ageless is protestware.
Do you wipe your ass with that phone?
Sometimes. Why?
You wipe your ass with their phone?
No it wont. Because we’re gonna light shit on fire until this goes away, ICE melts, and the hostages are released from the internment camps. Right?
lol. americans don’t do shit
My guy, people have been out in the streets ripping people out of the hands of ice
I get its fun to be cynical in the current moment but americans have absolutely been doing shit. I know, because there are folks in my community organizing, and they’re doing so in the image of other community organizing efforts across the country
If you’re reading this go find a way to get involved IRL. Meet your neighbors. Join food not bombs or a soup kitchen. Get involved in ice watch. Find your local DSA or PSL chapter and see if they’re people there and projects that you feel like you can build with. See if you have a local SRA chapter. See if your area has any tool libraries or community gardens you can participate in. Lots of states have a stop cop city, or stop detention centers project, go see if your area has one you can get involved with. People only do shit if people like YOU decide its worth doing
In the land of “stay strapped or get clapped” your idea of resistance is joining a soup kitchen or tool library lol
It’s a step that contributes which is better than nothing, though of course this is supplementary and more is needed
It’s an action that accomplishes nothing towards the stated goals but makes the person feel good about themselves.
No one can fight fascism when theyre worried about their immediate tangible needs. No one can fight much of anything when theyre worried about their immediate needs.
Its really hard to organize with people if you dont have ways of being connected to them. Its hard to have the needed trust. Its hard to network and know the right folks to have a connection the the right person when you need them. All sorts of community service help attend to these functional needs.
If you can’t see value in feeding folks in your community I’m glad you’re not part of mine, you sound like a POS.
Feeding people is great, pretending its some kind of ‘resistance’ is laughable.
Soup kitchens contribute to mutual aid setups, which are vital for subsistence and resistance movements against established institutions.
It is directly something that accomplishes movement towards stated goals.
Let me know when a soup kitchen topples a government institution. Until then all I see is cringe larping as a resistance movement.
Go on; what are you expecting to see?
My expectation is that Americans will continue getting fucked by their government because the only ones interested in ‘resistance’ will ladle at a soup kitchen about it
My brother in Christ look up the aforementioned SRA. You look like an idiot.
Not even gonna engage with the argument that feeding folks in your community isnt valuable resistance. Thats dumb as fuck.
How dare I not be familiar with every single local acronym you lot have.
Anyway let me know when a soup kitchen or tool library topple anything with your resistance larp
I fucking hope so 🏴🏴🏴🏴