So, OS-level age-gating is going federal, which will effectively kill your rights to device ownership and what’s left of free speech and expression.
Enjoy your free speech while you still have it because this is a clear attempt to erase that right.
SOPA never died, it just went into hiding until time to reemerge, and now’s that time, this is basically SOPA in a save the kids trenchcoat.
They can’t even arrest the pedophiles in government but they want to mass surveil us for everything.
The rules have always been for us, not for them.
The police are enforcers for the elites, they don’t stop crime, they extract fines from people and provide a deterrent to anyone standing up for themselves.
I know but we outnumber them a million to one so we don’t actually have to put up with this
With what organization? The left is too busy with shit like tone policing for any cohesive narrative to take root.
Turns out when your brain is filled with no-no words that effectively act as thought terminating cliches you end up being unable to effectively communicate with people you disagree with. Crazy how the far right simply does not have this problem, no? Granted they aren’t really for ‘discussion’ or ‘debate’ or ‘deliberation’ in the same way leftists are, and their thought terminating cliches are much worse; climate change being one of the big ones.
US left is way too disorganized, but this isn’t because of “”“tone policing”“” (no you cannot say slurs) or debating the specifics of ideals (of course the right doesn’t do this, they have no ideals, don’t copy the child rapists).
It’s because of, among other things, a decades-long operation to systemically crack communities, down to there being basically no infrastructure to even meet up at except the library or church, and also to keep everyone so exhausted and distracted they don’t bother trying.
Solving problem #1 is harder but problem #2 involves communicating with people locally who you can actually work with (marginalized groups aren’t going to work with violent bigots, if this annoys you, talk to the bigots yourself) and joining local orgs to meet needs – rent/utilities assistance, building community toolboxes and fridges, generally moving people away from “barely surviving” so they can actually develop an interest in leftist ideals
There is absolutely hyper-fixation on identity politics over material conditions. This has been an intentional project to move the realm of political discourse and conflict to the immaterial.
Yes, not being a bigoted asshole matters, but also it’s a wedge issue that absolutely moves otherwise poor, oppressed people away from solidarity. I don’t know how you bridge the problem, but as long as those people are on the other side, that’s a problem, and you ignore it at your peril.
Yeah I have no issue with not saying slurs (and saying I can’t say slurs is fucking dumb, I choose not to because I understand why I shouldn’t — not because trogs on their high horses tell me no), my problem is that you took the phrase ‘shit like tone policing’ and immediately assumed this must be the singular problem I have with how the left communicates. Thus spurring on an entire comment on why the left doesn’t communicate with the right.
I’m not suggesting the left communicate with the right, at all. I’m suggesting the left needs to learn how to communicate amongst itself because things like no no words end up functioning as thought terminating cliches — see your entire comment for reference.
I understand what you’re saying, but this is an issue that mostly exists between (don’t like this term much but can’t think of a better one) extremely terminally-online leftists who do not organize.
Going offline, this is generally just not an issue, the orgs filled with people who just argue over theory also don’t do much and shouldn’t be listened to. It’s a large movement and there are bound to be people who are unfortunately less effective.
I didn’t bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it’s not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don’t like anymore (which isn’t an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)
I didn’t bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it’s not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don’t like anymore (which isn’t an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)
Please don’t get me wrong, my motivations were not ‘both sides’ or something along those lines. Maybe not obviously, but it’s clear to me that we both believe the side bringing measles back is the wrong one.
My problem is that these terminally online leftist spaces end up being the narrative sent to (or experienced by) the brainwashed masses on the right. Simply not engaging with an online space is ineffective when trying to combat their manipulation of word of mouth messaging.
I’m not trying to argue for the right to say slurs. Unless they’re directed at conservatives, then I’m conflicted.
Or a parent could, I don’t know, just parent their own kids instead of expecting the government to.
I got so many downvotes last time I suggested this, it was just comical to me how many people get pissed at the implication that they aren’t watching their kids, while not watching their kids.
I guess you not only read just the post titles, but also just the title of the bill too.
Nope, read the full resolutions text, and also emailed my rep. But thanks anyhow!
This has absolutely nothing to do with kids
It has nothing to do with kids it’s just an excuse to push more surveillance
And written by a Democrat. They really have become useless. First they regularly forget that they are opposition for a reason, and now they even betray their voters with the most stupid law humans can cook up.
They’re bought and paid for by basically all the big industries just like the GOP.
I don’t think they think they’re an opposition party, and they certainly wouldn’t oppose mass surveillance. They never have.
And written by a Democrat.
They are literally never your ally. A lot of us refuse to accept that we have 2 parties that don’t give one solitary fuck about us because it means we have no say whatsoever in our government, but Democrats prove time and time again that this is the case.
The most we get are a handful of “representatives” that somehow managed to beat AIPAC and all the corporate interests that buy the rest of them, but that handful isn’t enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(
but that handful isn’t enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(
Yes. They’re allowing the planet to boil to avoid briefly inconveniencing idiot billionaires who believe they will science magic their way to Mars to escape.
We don’t need any more evidence that they’re worthless traitors to humanity. =/
“Parents Decide Act”
Yet text of it has basically nothing about parents in it, just government data collection lol
that’s just another American Value, naming bills as sarcastically and ironcally as possible
Motherfuckers want this so they can more easily find kiddies to groom and rape.
Start selling the narrative folks, this is not gonna be a clean war
Fair.
Tell your reps that this bill doesn’t get a chance to breathe if they ever want your support in future elections.
I’ve seen a lot of people saying how this will be unenforceable and so isn’t something we need to worry about.
Except this could be enforced. Google came out with a proposal a few years ago for a method of validating the a request came from a “trusted” (aka, signed and with secure boot enabled OS), ostensibly to combat bot traffic. They dropped it after push back, but it still provides a blueprint for how this could be enforced.
https://github.com/explainers-by-googlers/Web-Environment-Integrity
If web platforms are mandated by law to enforce something like this then the web could be effectively restricted to only approved operating systems. There could still be a dark web, but with the weight of the law behind it, once anything gained momentum access to it could be shut down at the service provider layer.
This shouldn’t be dismissed as a threat because it’s “unenforceable”, because it is.
No it wont. Because we’re gonna light shit on fire until this goes away, ICE melts, and the hostages are released from the internment camps. Right?
I fucking hope so 🏴🏴🏴🏴
lol. americans don’t do shit
My guy, people have been out in the streets ripping people out of the hands of ice
I get its fun to be cynical in the current moment but americans have absolutely been doing shit. I know, because there are folks in my community organizing, and they’re doing so in the image of other community organizing efforts across the country
If you’re reading this go find a way to get involved IRL. Meet your neighbors. Join food not bombs or a soup kitchen. Get involved in ice watch. Find your local DSA or PSL chapter and see if they’re people there and projects that you feel like you can build with. See if you have a local SRA chapter. See if your area has any tool libraries or community gardens you can participate in. Lots of states have a stop cop city, or stop detention centers project, go see if your area has one you can get involved with. People only do shit if people like YOU decide its worth doing
In the land of “stay strapped or get clapped” your idea of resistance is joining a soup kitchen or tool library lol
It’s a step that contributes which is better than nothing, though of course this is supplementary and more is needed
It’s an action that accomplishes nothing towards the stated goals but makes the person feel good about themselves.
No one can fight fascism when theyre worried about their immediate tangible needs. No one can fight much of anything when theyre worried about their immediate needs.
Its really hard to organize with people if you dont have ways of being connected to them. Its hard to have the needed trust. Its hard to network and know the right folks to have a connection the the right person when you need them. All sorts of community service help attend to these functional needs.
If you can’t see value in feeding folks in your community I’m glad you’re not part of mine, you sound like a POS.
Feeding people is great, pretending its some kind of ‘resistance’ is laughable.
Soup kitchens contribute to mutual aid setups, which are vital for subsistence and resistance movements against established institutions.
It is directly something that accomplishes movement towards stated goals.
Let me know when a soup kitchen topples a government institution. Until then all I see is cringe larping as a resistance movement.
Go on; what are you expecting to see?
My expectation is that Americans will continue getting fucked by their government because the only ones interested in ‘resistance’ will ladle at a soup kitchen about it
My brother in Christ look up the aforementioned SRA. You look like an idiot.
Not even gonna engage with the argument that feeding folks in your community isnt valuable resistance. Thats dumb as fuck.
How dare I not be familiar with every single local acronym you lot have.
Anyway let me know when a soup kitchen or tool library topple anything with your resistance larp
Generally you’re correct, but the string of warehouse fires over the past week all across the country has me hopeful that folks are finally hitting the long long long long long overdue breaking point.
I’m at the point where I don’t allow myself to get my hopes up for American news anymore.
That being said, the warehouse fires were a pleasant surprise that exceeded my expectations.
Fires? Plural?
I only know of the one.
I’ve seen a bunch of reports, none were live streamed so they haven’t broken through. Some are probably actually accidental but I doubt they all are, additionally the Molotovs thrown at Sam Altman house and a Tesla dealership. I believe I heard something about one at a Raytheon office.
There’s a lot of chaff I haven’t completely sorted through but again im hopeful
Sir, this is Lemmy. We came here because we were banned from Reddit. That’s about the extent of our action against the system that runs our lives.
According to lemmy.world’s rules, as written by the Zionists in charge; advocating for any sort of violence would be against the rules. You have to go to those instances to see both proof of action plus advocating of further action.
Yeah, but if we keep advocating for violent revolution maybe someone else will do it for us so we can have better lives!
If they wanna start a hot revolution it is coming.
To paraphrase someone:
You need to win every time. I need you to lose only once.
Anyone thinking that this won’t pass this time, or next year, or the year after that or the year… They will push this as a new thing, wrapping the same bullshit lies in a new paper each time…
Eventually it’ll pass, it always does. All they need is patience
The only possible cou ter to this is to enshrine the right to own a computer and internet access into your constitution or something like that.
You need to win every time. I need you to lose only once.
We Europeans are well aware because of the Chat Control that they are trying to push here.
We have to be vigilant and fight every fight.
Never give up.
-
This bill is being pushed by Meta and they are NOT going to stop with age verification. It is not about “protecting children” and it never has been. It’s always been about surveillance and control. Meta wants to know who you are, where you are, what you buy, what you download, who you associate with and what your politics are.
-
If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.
Meta is pushing this because their platforms are overrun by bots. Ironically because partly of the AI tools they have created. And advertisers have caught up and aren’t willing to pay top dollars anymore on Meta’s platforms. Hence why Meta desperately wants a way to proof that their traffic comes from real people.
-
It’s worth writing your reps!! There’s usually an easy way to contact them via their website
Speaking and educating does not work anymore. And that really only works in democracy.
Honestly, I think there’s truth in your statement. But I also believe that every little bit helps and think it’s important to become the grit in the machine in every way possible.
Don’t just do the bare minimum, but sending letters is something even people working multiple jobs to make ends meet have the time and financial ability to actually accomplish.
More needs to be done for sure, people should pitch in where they can.
I’m personally against this kind of thing, but I hate how much of a fantasy echo chamber this stuff is here. There’s so much misinformation and hyperbole in this thread alone.
In general I support the idea of device-level age verification. The narrative around it uses old school methods only (this one goes with just inputting your date of birth, which I’ve already done for years for stuff like Steam), rather than the ID or face scan by random third parties methods used in age verification discussions and requirements elsewhere. In my opinion software being able to use an API provided by the OS itself is much better, and with the right OS (linux) much more trustworthy than any web-based solution.
My only real problem is the lack of user choice. This comes in two forms:
- Giving your birth date should be optional. I’m fine with them requiring that no birth date given means you default to being underage, but actually giving the birthdate should be up to the user.
- The birthdate should not be given out to random software asking for it. Either the user should be asked for permission, or only a boolean of whether they are underage or not should be provided. This bill doesn’t require either of those, nor leaves it to later clarification.
I don’t think it is wrong to be concerned about this. We live in an era of mass surveillance and control. This is just one more tool that governments and corporations can use to control and surveil.
It starts as a DOB field but then escalates to an always online requirement where your full identity is passed along to every app and website. We’ve seen this happen across mobile phones and social media; I don’t want it on my PC.
Just make it illegal to buy a PC without an ID, problem solved.
Parents ALREADY decided. They decided they didn’t give enough of a shit to use the parental controls already available to them. No legitimate reason to push this shit on everyone else.
These companies made parental controls abysmal to use, so they can count children’s traffic as adult viewers for ad revenue(on both sides of the bill).
Wouldn’t this just be unenforceable for any Linux distros not directly owned/maintained by a US-based corporation? I don’t really see how they could force a distro to comply, unless they start going after individual maintainers who live in the US.
They have many ways to do this if they want:
- go after US entities, like the Linux Foundation. They only need to go after enough to make them fall in line
- Make it illegal to distribute non compliant systems, including downloads
- Make it illegal to operate or even possess a non compliant system
Even if they don’t go after individuals they can do a lot of damage in restricting trade and business use of something. The mere threat of legal action is though to make business owners nope out.
It’s already risky to draw attention to yourself by using privacy focused phones when traveling. It’s the ultimate “if your have nothing to hide why are you worried” situation.
They’re forcing legitimate users to either give up or go underground and risk being seen as criminals.