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  • Yeah that makes sense. And in a pinch (no pun intended), measuring your solids by volume or even just eyeballing it is good enough for a lot of cooking (baking is a different matter).

    But let’s not forget that Europe was not always metric, either. They went through the same process. They had the same units (or similar units) as US has now, with a lot of the same quirks. That was the entire point of the metric system: have one consistent set of units. United States was onboard early for metrication, but backed out before it completed it, so here we are.


  • Sure, I get that, and we already have dual labeling on a lot of stuff, maybe even most of the stuff. The problem there is that nobody actually reads the other labeling, so they are also not learning.

    They need to go back to what they were doing before: First decide that we’re moving over so that mandates can be enforced.

    Second, do what you were saying, and do dual labeling during the transition–but make metric most the prominent.

    Third, educate kids in schools to use it (this already happens to a degree).

    Fourth, launch massive informational campaigns to teach people how and why to use metric.

    Fifth, step down the dual labeling gradually as more people are comfortable with the new units.

    I expect there to be a long tail of non-metric units in use (see UK), but if we can switch more things over that is still an improvement. Heck, I’ll even take them just decimalizing and removing some smaller units (like lbs/oz).

    The history of metrication in the US is as frustrating as it is an interesting read. It can certainly be done and many countries have shown it can be done, but it takes commitment and support from the highest levels.


  • folekaule@lemmy.worldtomemes@lemmy.worldW Celsius
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    I accidentally a word. Converting recipes from Norwegian and metric to American and US customary units.

    I’m aware. I have a scale, too. But most people didn’t weigh dry ingredients. So when I translate for someone else I have to use the “normal” measures they’re used to. For myself, I speak the language and just use metric, my scale, and a measuring cup with both markings.



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    Yeah I think at that point it would be easier to just go metric.

    Most Americans actually seem to be five with metric and probably would not mind it too much if we just switched. The objections are basically: 1) it’s too expensive to switch now (okay), or 2) it’s part of our identity (doubt). I swear to God everything is a culture war with some people.

    More rational people, especially in STEM where it’s already the standard, prefer it.

    In general though, I would argue that Americans know metric better then Europeans know US customary, for what that’s worth

    It’s mostly about what you’re used to. Americans buy soda in liters, run 5km and do drugs by the gram. But we buy gasoline and milk in gallons and our recipes call for flour by volume. It’s mostly inertia. At the end of the day you have to communicate with people around you so you use units they understand.


  • folekaule@lemmy.worldtomemes@lemmy.worldW Celsius
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    12 hours ago

    It’s just not that fine tuned of an instrument. The furnace also runs on intervals so it’s just going to naturally fluctuate a bit. Like with anything “it depends”, but I doubt it’s possible to keep the room within a tenth of a centigrade just with a consumer level thermostat. Maybe in a small room with resistive heating? I’d love to see actual measurements of this.




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    As a European living in the US now for many years the temperature scale is the least of my annoyances. It’s easy enough to memorize be ranges for what to wear. Fahrenheit is more granular, which is nice sometimes but really doesn’t matter.

    No, let’s convert all the ridiculous weight/volume measures first. Having two kinds of ounces makes no sense. Measuring solids by volume (mostly) doesn’t make sense. Having different units for different magnitudes doesn’t make sense.

    Fortunately things are often labeled in both metric and customary units so I can convert way easier.

    Now if you’ll excuse me I’m going to have my 12 fluid ounces of coffee and a 1/3 cup of oatmeal.






  • They have many ways to do this if they want:

    • go after US entities, like the Linux Foundation. They only need to go after enough to make them fall in line
    • Make it illegal to distribute non compliant systems, including downloads
    • Make it illegal to operate or even possess a non compliant system

    Even if they don’t go after individuals they can do a lot of damage in restricting trade and business use of something. The mere threat of legal action is though to make business owners nope out.

    It’s already risky to draw attention to yourself by using privacy focused phones when traveling. It’s the ultimate “if your have nothing to hide why are you worried” situation.

    They’re forcing legitimate users to either give up or go underground and risk being seen as criminals.