This is something that The Satanic Temple needs to get on board with.
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FWIW, The Satanic Temple is different from The Church of Satan and/or the Satanic Church. To start with, we don’t believe in Satan.
AI Satan does sound horrendously hellish, though. “You’re correct, and you are absolutely right to call me out on it! I can see now how submerging you in searing hot lye would be unpleasant, especially after you begged me to stop! Here, let me try again, this time paying extra attention to not submerging you in searing hot lye.” <Proceeds to submerge you in searing hot lye>
To start with, we don’t believe in Satan.
Neither does the Church of Satan, to be fair.
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Not quite. They’re both Satanic churches. TST is more activist and fights for the rights of Satanists in court.
There’s a good breakdown of the differences here.
There is already essentially an AI-Satan cult. They’re called the Rationalists. Unlike your average Satanist, however, they are very irrational, nearly theistic, and exert a lot of control over Silicon Valley.
And then there’s their offshoot, the Zizians, which are even crazier. The episodes of Behind the Bastards covering them were wild
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AI Satan just lacks the soul of regular Satan, you know what I mean?
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The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.
tl;dr:
Maus is a Unitarian Universalist, a pluralistic religion that’s rooted in the inherent worth of every person. In April, she argued that AI didn’t align with her religious beliefs, citing environmental and ethical concerns.
Just so you know which religion to convert to.
I mean, hypothetically couldn’t you just pick any belief structure outside of the top ten and make shit up? I’m a card carrying member of The Satanic Temple (which also puts an emphasis on human worth and social conscience) and I feel like I could swing this.
Wow, you actually got your card?
They made no promises, but I sent my $20, never saw my card and that’s fine.
The goat ate it
I think you can literally purchase a membership card on their site if you want.
I’m sure.
When I was 12 I wanted to buy the cert for the Flying Spaghetti Monster. My parents weren’t cool enough.
There were already 100 reasons why the Unitarians are where it’s at.
But I really don’t think this is reason 101. All we have here is someone who asked their employer for this and was fortunate enough to have it granted.
That means nothing for anyone else. There is not some national law that all Unitarians have this protected right now.
So yeah… you might as well try on grounds that it offends Allah, because you’ll have the same odds.
Oh, good. One of the few religions that isn’t predicated on making all non-members lives miserable.
Amish or Rastafarian should pass as well.
Amish
That was my first thought before even reading! OTOH they would probably oppose working with computers at all?
As someone who lives near an Amish community, the amount of them I see in Walmart on cellphones tells me they’ve got at least enough loopholes to be shopping in Walmart with a cellphone, so “working with computers” is probably perfectly fine.
…or you go straight to hell. IDK.
What’s Amish Hell like?🤔
Neverending Rumspringa
How about Pastafarian though?
Cathar too.
Maybe even jain. But i know too little about ita actual doctrins to say anything specific about it
“I’m a Butlerian.”
But did you type that on your thinking machine?
I’m pretty sure that in Dune, all computers are banned, not just AI. You can’t even have a ship with a navigation computer.
the golden path
I despise AI, however, religious exceptions for work are stupid.
Go to work for your church/mosque/temple if it’s that important for you.
If you’re a Christian, live like a bird in the field, like Jesus says. Go pick through the garbage can and be content in your righteousness. You’re reward isn’t earthly, but in Heaven, right?
Also it usually it’s just ok for their approved religions, anything else you are being stubborn
I’m not religious but I feel like people should have a right to take their annual leave for their religious holidays, yeah?
People should be able to take annual leave for whatever they want, provided contractual agreements and sufficient advance notice. I don’t understand how any of it needs to do with religion.
Ok well say your company has ten people. One of them is a purpleite and every year the religion celebrates the merging of red and blue, every year - and it coincides with the superbowl. Seven of the ten people want to take that as a long weekend to watch the game. The company can handle this… but oh no! wait, two of the remaining employees are related and share a mother who has people coming after her for personal reasons. She wants to send her kids to somewhere safe so she sends them to west philly. It turns out that’s where the merging happens so the three of them can drive over together. Meanwhile two people have to cancel their superbowl plans to accommodate the purplite. The two related employees get to live safely with their mother’s sister and her husbandi think that this is fine, it sucks for the superbowl crew but that’s not as important as someone’s religion or someone’s family situation. I think if you read this and look in the mirror you will see it all with a fresh understanding.
How about an atheist exemption?
You can be an atheist and a member of a universalist Unitarian church, I am exactly that
Would be nice if philosophical stances were treated equal to religious ones, so if something is against your philosophical stances you could get the same exemption a religious person could.
or just let people opt out entirely flat out?
Try it. All we have here is someone with a very accommodating employer. It’s not like all Unitarians everywhere now have some court judgment backing them.
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Are you guys trying to get religion banned?
It might help.
You say that like it’s a bad thing
At this point, I feel like religion >> blind corporate loyalty. At least religion still pretends to care about people
If you could ban religion, or ban AI, which would you ban?
If you ban religion AI will become people’s God. So that is really not an option.
Religion has caused so much suffering though.
A blanket ban on AI seems extreme, perhaps banning commercialization would be the way to go so no one can try and profit from it. Obviously corporations would not like this idea.
If you ban religion AI will become people’s God.
Say more here. It’s an interesting claim. Why do you see this as inevitable? I’m an atheist and AI has not become my god.
Well, I am just basing it off the fact that a bunch of people are already using AI in this fashion. Without something to fill this gap I think AI would be a likely candidate.
https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/silicon-valleys-obsession-with-ai-looks-a-lot-like-religion/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Way_of_the_Future
It has already become common for existing religions to use AI to answer spiritual questions and preachers have started using it to write sermons.
I think cutting people off of traditional religion would accelerated this AI god concept. This is just my opinion of course.
Trying to start a long, boring conversation about ethics has worked so far to keep people from forcing their slop machines on me, but it’s nice to know there are options
Now you can do both!
How about a mental health exemption? AI is shown to be hazardous to mental health.
Maybe I am religious…
In a country where most states are fire-at-will. You don’t have the cultural integrity to effectively use something like this.
“You can now get an exemption” is a huge overstatement.
Someone in North Carolina asked for it and happened to get it from her employer. That does not provide any firm basis for anyone else to follow. Any of us could have tried this last month with the same odds we have now.
That’s it, I’m converting to Mechanicus. Abominable Intelligence is techno-heresy, Ave Omnissiah!
I’m somewhat of a transhumanist and even I think generative AI is an abomination. I want the real thing. Artificial sapient life.
we can barely get sapient life mastered.
Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah.
Time for the Universal Life Church to step in.
As an ordained minister (and fully-paid Saint), would highly approve.
thank god.
That’s one way to make the Catholic church popular again.