Isn’t the idea to decentralize?
No. The idea is to have the constant looming threat of decentralization to keep the centralized system in check.
Except in this there’s really not a lot of benefit when it comes to centralization so it would be better to decentralize to make sure no single instance becomes too big. I’d say world is already a bit too big because 90% of my subscribed feeds would be gone if world no longer federated with Piefed. World has significant sway on our side of the fediverse because smaller instances will probably feel dead (or turn into an echo chamber) if world won’t federate with them.
No, it isn’t. People will refuse to leave, just as we’ve seen with FB, Reddit, etc. Lemmy.world has already enshitified from where it started, and from the position of nearly every other instance, yet people like you are still there. That’s proof against your argument.
I haven’t noticed it getting worse. 🤷
I came here after lemmy.ml said it was shutting down. Idk what happened a with that but world seemed stable enough to not have that problem
.ml shutting down? That’s the devs server unlikely it will shut down unless for maintenence
the instance I was on straight up, said that it was shutting down, and that we should migrate to other instances. I did that and dropped the other account so I have no fucking clue what’s going on over there.
Must have been another instance. Lemmy.ml is not shutting down.
actual question: How is Lemmy.ml functionally different than Lemmy.world?
.ml has a lot of pro-Russia, pro-China types and criticism of either country can lead to a quick ban.
Functionally, there is no difference. Both run the same software, tho the versions may slightly differ as the devs, who run .ml, push updates.
For a functionally different experience try Mbin/Kbin (I forget which is the current), or Piefed. Piefed is similar to Lemmy with some quality of life improvements. Kbin/Mbin is a cross between “tweet” style posts, “blog” style posts like tumblr, and Reddit type posts.
Ok, I get it that there are pro-China guys, plenty of Russian regime fans around as well. But the thing that really caught me by surprise is that there are seriously people entirely serious about how North Korea is heaven earth.
Can’t enshittify if you have no services in the first place
.world is doing its best to replicate every bad thing about reddit (starting with powermods) while avoiding every positive aspect it might have once had. I’m sure its admins have constant wet dreams about the day they can go public and sell it for parts.
.ml is trying to pretend it’s not lemmygrad by putting on glasses with a fake nose and a moustache.
Both are toxic and harmful to the fediverse.
Similar things can be said of most other “big” instances to a lesser extent (including the one I’m in, but I’m too lazy to move out for a third time).
Frankly, the only instance I’d trust to not be politically compromised is fedinsfw, and I already got bit once by lemmynsfw’s incompetent management (when they lost control of it to a rogue admin and it closed for months), so I’m not going back there.
Next time I have to move I’ll be rolling my own private instance, or quitting altogether.
You speak the true true as evident by looking at the mod logs
Precisely! What’s the point of an overpopulated instance? It’s more likely to affect users because of blanket instance blocklists.
I’m part of discuss.tchncs.de, more or less by accident. I just stumbled across that one when I wanted to make an account.
For real, do they want the Fediverse to turn into a shitshow like email?
it’s almost inevitable, no one cares about decentralisation
Decentralized networks with large centralized communities is the best approach. You have to have that number of people to have interesting conversations and engagement.
But if all the users are spread out across several instances it becomes more resilient. If a large community/instance goes offline or there’s a controversy then it can be migrated to a new instance
I vaguely know what an instance is, but let me see if I can get this straight.
So an instance in the Fediverse is a website hosted either on a web hosting service, right? So it’s like if I wanted to start one, it’d be similar to starting an old fashion forum like phpBB? I’d buy a domain, get a webhosting service, and install the software?
And the communities are analogous to sub forums? Except instead of me creating them, the users on my forum would create them?
Yep that’s basically it
I might start one then. I ran a couple of forums back in the 2000s. They were more barren than the Saharan desert, but I did it.
It’s good to have it as an option but most people are frustrated if they can’t just go to one place that has tons of people.
How are you so unable to use your brain?
The function and idea of decentralisation isn’t to evenly distribute users across every instance, some instances being much larger than others is and extremely obvious thing.
RIP kbin.social
You were my first.
at least mbin is still going
What happen
The guy running it had some health issues and couldn’t maintain it anymore, as I recall.
somebody set us up the bomb.
*set up us
Same!
I prefer a Lemmy instance that doesn’t censor.
Turns out federation is a moot point when everyone is in the same server and everywhere else is de-federated anyway because people, mods and instance admins cannot behave.
Its a shame I miss when I used to be able to interact with users from other instances.
Are the two of us not on different instances? I might not understand what I thought I did.
You are. You understand.
The real issue is where the communities are, rather than the users. Smaller instances can’t easily attract large communities of people from outside their own, so the larger instances get to run the main communities for everyone. It’s working as intended but it’s all in the numbers.
A lot of the federation links were set up years ago, so I wonder if anyone is even activily trying to federate, like we used to when it all began.
Like, the NSFW instance went down some years ago, and I don’t think anyone from the instance I’m using has bothered federating with a new one with that kind of content, or at least it doesn’t pop up anymore. Which is fine, so I also don’t bother, but for a newcomer it might seem odd that some instances have more connections than others and such.
Just federate yourself, the new one is https://fedinsfw.app/
When I click on this link it just opens the instance in my browser.
You have to subscribe to a community from your instance
So lemmy get this right, if I personally subscribe to !titties@fedinsfw.app then all users on my instance will eventually have that instance in their all feed?
I believe legitimately yes though I’m not super positive. I just see it scroll across my all feed already.
I get lots of content from other instances and when I search for communities I see all the instances that such-and-such community? If you have spent any time online you know that large != good community. Yes some are defed’ but that’s fine by me.
define behave.
because according to chunks of lemmy userbase my non-murderous and not extremist views are hostile and akin to being a pedophile nazi grandma rapist.
just owning a car or owning a playstation/nintendo here is unforgivable sin.
I agree, it’s sad what has become of db0.
Agreed.
Same
Context?
Anything about piracy is blocked, as well as other content. I’m all for moderation, but I’m against censorship.
I think it’s OK to have specific instances ban certain stuff especially piracy. Those issues concern legal things and risking a general lemmy instance which is fairly large is not worth it. Those things are better put on a dedicated instance that will be tolerant to legal problems. Same rules don’t have to apply to all lemmy instances, each lemmy instance is better with their own set of rules or identities.
Yeah, choke on that billionaire corporate dick real good like you’re supposed to. Good boy
Chill. You don’t have to agree with what someone is saying but no need to be a douche.
The whole point of instances is that they can alk have their own rules and you can pick another one if you’re not happy.
What have I missed? I signed up for the piracy friendly perspective - https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/piracy is still here?
Yeah you’re on the ‘anarchist’ instance. Lemmy.world users can’t see the piracy community at all I think. Pretty sure they blocked it. At the very least, there used to be a piracy community on lemmy.world as well but it got banned and deleted.
Oh sorry! I somehow read your comment as if /c/piracy@dbzer0 had closed down piracy and generally started to censor the instance. Don’t ask how misread ?/_-
Damn… Looks like I gotta move my account from World.
.world has that community blocked.
Like when they told someone I know to stop posting a retort to one user who signed all of their comments that they couldn’t be trained for AI.
Because that sounds like censorship.
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tankie who’s upset that .ml users can’t spread pro north korea shit
Wtf man. Fuck North Korea, and any other propaganda. I’m worried about censoring piracy related content mostly. I don’t even know .ml, I’m from .db0.
Speaking about propaganda and fake news, you’re the one jumping to wrong conclusions and thus spread misinformation. You didn’t even bother to check which instance I’m from. You’re such a massive hypocrite.
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.World mods will ban you for debunking disproven pro West propaganda.
Nonconfrontational… Interesting choice of a name for you.
Thanks :)
.ml mods will ban you for criticizing 1980s GOP
Uhh, what?
A mod said modern average dems are to the right of 80s average GOP. I mentioned a few of the many horrors 80s gop started… my comment got deleted and I got banned.
even Obama himself said that if he was in politics in the early 1980’s he’d be considered center-right. That’s how far the GOP has lost the plot; it’s more moderate members look “leftist” by comparison.
Hard to believe when you look at the actual platform for 80s GOP vs Obama’s platform. Dramatically different.
Wild
Have any good suggestions for a decent non-tankie instance that doesn’t censor and allows downvoting? I’m only on .world out of laziness.
sh.itjust.works
.zip leaves it to the user to block what they want and it doesn’t have a habit of defederating.
I started on .world and tried a couple instances before I settled happily with lemmy.today
No complaints here about lemmy.today :)
Dbzer0, which is focused on piracy and for autism/ADHD spectrum, pro lgbtq and pro trans. It is blocked by .world.
I think I just found my new home. Thank you.
No, .world does not block dbzer0, only its piracy community
.ml
.ml admins delete comments and give out instance bans for saying the wrong opinion.
Racist opinions?
removed
Go back to reddit.
If we are honest, we all wished you would go back to reddit
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😎
Back at ya, buddy. Authoritarian bootlickers don’t belong on leftist platforms. Go away.
Hahaha lemmy.world is not a leftist platform. It’s very pro capitalist and pro democratic party.
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I haven’t been on reddit in half a decade, wbu?
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16,666 dozen
See? Dozens of us! Dozens!
I like being grouped in 12s lol
Dozens of dozens of dozens of dozen
Only 9.66 dozens of dozen of dozen
The minimum ‘dozens’ is 2x12, I would think. So dozens of dozens of dozens is at least 24x24x24=13,824. That many dozen is 13,824x12 = 165,888. So I think dozens of dozens of dozens of dozen is right for 200,000.
What have I got wrong?I don’t know that you did anything wrong. This is all too gross for me.
is over 9000!!!
I wonder if the Jehovah’s witnesses are excited like this when they get a good number of members. /s
Only up to 144,000.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses_and_salvation )
that’s a clear mistranslation in the bibble. 144,000 is how many sexes god has
We’re all going to heaven, the prophecy was about Lemmy it turns out
I mean, you are on a platform named after an animal that’s famous for wandering off cliffs because they blindly follow the herd¹
Make of that what you will
¹ I know it’s a myth but still
Actually the platform is Lemmy, not lemmings :)
It’s named after an animal who liked to gamble - they win some lose some it’s all the same to them
Let’s go Lemmy! It’s nice to see this platform grow. Whether by taking in people from corpo social media platforms or just by people discovering that it’s actually a safe neat little place to exist.
Keep the Lemmings coming please 💜I’m a recent convert. Got banned by Reddit mods, like globally for an anti ICE comment. I called them brownshirts.
A lot of people have been banned for similar reasons around the DOGE crackdown. The smallest comment would trigger a ban for “inciting violence.”
I decided to drop Reddit recently, it’s an ugly husk of what it once was.
I typed into Google “Reddit alternatives” and funnily enough, it was from a Reddit post that I learned about Sumit and Lemmy.World.
Lemmy.world is very search engine friendly. If you add lemmy to your search, it will usually surface lemmy world
Thank you for the tip
Defederated from .ml and watch those number go even higher.
Who else are they supposed to obsess over if they do that?
I convinced a few of my friends to leave reddit and move onto to here. I’M DOING MY PART!
Great success to the worst instance.
Hi
Sup
Hello
There’s dozens of us!
🙌🙌🙌
gratz