• LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    19 days ago

    Lmao. So now I can use my rented services on my rented laptop! I can go get the laptop in my rented car, to go back home to my rented place… it really is going to be you’ll own nothing and like it.

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      19 days ago

      You will own nothing but corporations will still hold you, the consumer, responsible when their decisions have catastrophic outcomes for everybody.

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      19 days ago

      Here’s a solution for you. Use your old MacBook, the one with 2GB of RAM. Use your old copy of Office 2008, the one that requires no subscription and offers no AI assistant. Stop paying for Spotify, find your old mp3 collection, convert all those CDs you never play anymore. You want television? Don’t pay subscriptions for that either, buy an HD antenna, get your local stations over the air. If it doesn’t have everything you want, suck it up or pirate it, your call.

      My point is, you can choose a different path, but it takes a choice.

      You know, dumb flip phones are coming back, people are realizing they don’t need all the crap they’re paying for, it doesn’t all make life better. It takes conviction to trade in your smart phone for a dumb one, but people are doing it.

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        19 days ago

        Why would you make it harder than it is?

        libre office and you got an open source Office suite

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          19 days ago

          That’s legit, I mean I use Libre myself.

          I guess I brought up old MS Office to point out that the world was not always like this, it used to be that sanity was mainstream.

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          18 days ago

          Libre office got me through college without having to pay for ms office… which they still charged for even with a student discount.

      • LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        19 days ago

        TBF I self host and use Arch (btw) I was just making a supply joke, but your point stands.

        That said, people need things, sometimes you have to buy new things, and if so, don’t feel bad, try to make good choices, but you also have to take care of yourself.

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        19 days ago

        buy an HD antenna

        In many countries you can use IPTV to get the public channels too and it’s totally legal

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    19 days ago

    If you give it back with scratches on it, will you be into negative equity? 😬 I assume it’ll come with all the bad parts of car leasing, too…

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      19 days ago

      And yet somehow worse. Don’t have to spend hours finding important files on my car’s hard drive before returning it to the dealership

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        19 days ago

        You’ll need your own storage to backup before erasing and turning it in, but they probably know that and will factor that in for a fee.

        “Rent X months, get an SSD with your backup for free when you cancel your subscription.”

        They’ll likely try to upsell you on iCloud services as well. Your entire life will be digitized and uploaded into the cloud, onto some corporate computer somewhere.

        My issue with this is that you can often get a cheap laptop used, and major cities often have libraries that rent laptops to residents, if needed. And paying your library is cheaper than paying Apple, plus the money goes to the local library.📚

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        19 days ago

        Good news!

        /s

        If they haven’t already they definitely want you to save everything on “the cloud”, before people realize “the cloud” just means “data center”.

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          19 days ago

          Great! I can now enter a prompt into a data-center-hosted LLM, “do my job,” and the data center will conveniently also store the resulting fraudulent work product in the same location, while I relax at home on a permanent unpaid vacation! So convenient!

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      19 days ago

      The lease contract includes 30,000 cpu-core-hours, any additional time will be billed at $0.10 per cpu-core-hour.

      /s

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      19 days ago

      My assumption is the lease payments will more than cover the cost of the computer, and when you turn it back in at the end of the lease Apple is just going to scrap it.

      I suppose that doesn’t preclude them charging you extra if you return it all scratched up just to extract even more money from you.

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      19 days ago

      Those of us paying attention have been waiting for this moment. It’s great living through end stage capitalism!

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      18 days ago

      Not the beginning, ‘Device as a Service’ has been the buzzword as of late, but basically has been a thing for decades. I remember twenty years ago scratching my head at why the company I worked at paid more to lease desktops for three years than it would have cost to just buy them outright, or even finance them.

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        18 days ago

        The amount we spend on cloud hosting I keep suggesting (and I think they are starting to listen) that having on-prem hardware makes financial sense again. We have the staff to run them already anyway.

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          18 days ago

          Heh, to some extent I think the hardware vendors have done this to themselves.

          They try to balance “good TCO if you just buy it” but simultaneously say “but it sucks to own the equipment you need to pay us exorbitant services fees to make it easier to own”.

          Nothing unique to IT, certainly car manufacturers love to first sell you on how robust the car is and then try to scare you into thinking it’ll turn to dust if you don’t buy extended warranties…

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    19 days ago

    Looks absurd, but I’m sure a lot of people will pay for it and next year we will have news about apple getting record profits

    I’m too tired of all this

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    19 days ago

    You’re still paying for the more expensive ram. It’s just baked into a higher monthly rental payment. Why pay more for ram one time when you could pay more for ram every month for the rest of your life?

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      18 days ago

      When a company says it has a “solution” for the high price, they means they have a “solution” for the big number on the sticker. Not that they actually care about affordability.

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        18 days ago

        when the $ numbers start getting big and scary, just extend the length some more to make it look ‘cheaper’… like 8 year car loans and 50 year mortgages.

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          18 days ago

          Yeah, had a car dealer try to say “the price doesn’t even matter, only the monthly payment matters, right?”

          The problem for those of us who know better: this reasoning works on most of the customers and it’s more profitable to do that than cater to more savvy customers.

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    18 days ago

    This was so insanely predictable. I wouldnt be surprised if all the tech giants move to do the same. “you will own nothing”

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    Leasing is not renting

    For tech stuff basically a financial entity buys the goods for you at full MSRP (they calculate a almost 100% depreciation over the term), then you pay that full price + interest over 48/60 installments, and when you’re done, they take the goods back and sell it back via some liquidator.

    And because the financial entity bought the stuff for you especially to lease it, you’re contractually obligated to pay until the end of the contract, can’t just get it for a month and then be done with it

    You paid $1200 to use something worth $900 for four years and then it’s not yours

    Unless you’re a business and the accountant says that’s better for taxes, leasing something doesn’t make sense

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      I hope you’re not saying this in general terms, because leasing absolutely has its benefits even to individuals, especially for cars.

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        for cars it makes sense only if you really need to have a new vehicle every 3 years and you really need to have an all inclusive insurance that covers everything

        otherwise you save thousands by taking a loan, get limited liability insurance, then sell it after 5-6 years

        although the absolute savings (for a newish vehicle and not a shitbox) is to get a used one ex-leasing (max 3 years old, low mileage, all maintenance made correctly because the leasing company paid for it) then sell it after 3-4 years (or keep it until it becames a shitbox)

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          Heck, even paying for full comprehensive insurance, you still come out ahead by buying on a loan and keeping it for more than 3 years.

          The crux is that decently priced loans are denied to the people who actually need it, but leases are not.

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            And also that the car dealer takes a way fatter commission on a lease (commissions on insurances, commission on the extended warranty) so (at least here in my country) sometimes they “accidentally” incorrectly fill the request form with “wrong” data (like higher income, different employment status and so on)

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    Companies with high-end products have the biggest profit margin cushions to deal with. I had little sympathy for Apple raising prices already, but this is absurd.

    they will still require you to either pay for the device in full or else lose the option to sell it to somebody else after you’re done

    …Minus the payments already provided, right?

    The Apple Upgrade service will work like a subscription and users can pay off the device early during their term, upgrade early to a new model or keep it at the end of the leasing period. In certain cases, those transactions will incur an additional fee .

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      …Minus the payments already provided, right?

      It’s very vague. If you could use this as a rent-to-own it’s perhaps not so bad, but if it’s just rent-to-still-not-be-able-to-own it sucks.

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    18 days ago

    I am so happy I built a new computer at the end of 2024. It may realistically last me two decades at this rate. I got one decade out of the last build.

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      I maxed out my configuration at 64GB RAM and 2TB SSD around the same time.