Yikes
Maybe they should stop allowing it
They’re probably the one doing it. Of course the distribution owners would try and cut out the content makers.
Tunes generated by LLM bots should never considered as music.
Same thing my grand father says about EDM. Personally, if I can tap my feet to it, it’s music. I doubt you would be able to tell the difference in a blind test in any case.
Sure thing DJGPT, whatever makes you happy
I don’t think it belongs on platforms like Deezer but it’s silly to not call it music.You can hate how it’s made but the bar for something to be music isn’t dependant on the fact. Downvote me I guess.
If I steal someone else’s song and put my name on it nobody reasonable would say I made it.
This whole AI-art fucktrain is entirely propped up by people who never made art before suddenly thinking they know something.
My issue is more about not calling it music. Imo, if it’s groovy and my brain enjoys it, it’s music.
There’s some music I seriously don’t enjoy as well but I still consider it music because someone does.
That being said, I don’t label AI stuff as “made”. I’m quick with making the distinction when sharing with friends and stuff. I agree with that part. Although it becomes blurry at times. Making something with samples is still making it, what about making it with AI generated samples? I don’t consider it stealing in any case, much too transformative imo.
I think we should separate the platforms but I’m not sure where certain things should land. It’s all music for me though.
Thanks for taking the time to explain yourself! I wanted to jump in to potentially clear up a difference of semantics, y’all are just using different interpretations of a phrase and I think it’s worth exploring.
If I take the person you originally replied to and continue the thought on my own, I think “it shouldn’t be called music” is trying to express that “this content should be fundamentally distinct from music because it displaces artists who, as a group, are finding it increasingly hard to sustain themselves on their art alone”.
If your relationship with music stops at something to tap your foot to, then you may or may not appreciate the value music has for society in the form of things like expression, protest, criticism, unity, and faith. Every time we listen to a bot-generated song, it takes a listen away from a human artist and pushes us toward a world eventually devoid of those artistic contributions.
Whether or not it fits into the same musical category as human-generated media isn’t really the point worth talking about (it’s trained on that after all, of course it’s similar!). What we need is a way to keep it from displacing human-generated art, and I don’t think calling it music or not is enough.
On the contrary that soulless shit belongs to garbage platforms that is killing the music industry.
I am not debating with you what music means to me, please understand that MR. DJGPT
I personally started to use Qobuz. Their algorithm isn’t great, their target group is more the more distinguished music listener but their library is pretty much as big as any others plus they do have the largest library of hi-res music too and they actually sell also hi-res and CD lossless music if that is of interest to you. Most importantly though, they have a “ban-AI-music” stance on their platform. Soon enough, one will have to rely on platforms like that if one does not want to wade through a sea of AI slop.
The downside is that Qobuz is a bit more expensive than others (while paying the most to artists however, as far as I know).
Also Qobuz is not globally available to all.
Indeed. Its service is available in only a limited number of countries. Interestingly though it is one of the oldest streaming platforms around.
From Deezer’s website, the detection system tags songs that are either fully AI generated rather than produced or mastered with the help of AI tools. You can also appeal if you believe your music was falsely flagged.
I strongly oppose the use of generative AI in art but if it has to be done, it should at least be labeled as AI (ideally by the “creator” themselves).
I wonder how accurate the AI detection tools are though, considering how common are posts where AI detection tools used in schools falsely flagged student assignments.
There was a song I quite liked which had several million views on YouTube which I was surprised to see was flagged as AI generated. No one I showed it to it could hear any obvious signs of AI. The main red flags were that the artists released several albums in a short time span and had no online presence on any platform you would expect to see musicians on (Bandcamp, Discogs, etc) besides YouTube and the streaming ones.
The main red flags were that the artists released several albums in a short time span and had no online presence on any platform you would expect to see musicians on (Bandcamp, Discogs, etc) besides YouTube and the streaming ones.
Honestly, those seem like pretty big red flags since that is how actual bands manage to actually get paid.
With good mastering post, you can mostly eliminate the “Suno shimmer”, but other than artists using local models, the big ones (Suno, Udio, et al) have digital fingerprinting in the audio file… which is also part of the reason for the “Suno shimmer” sound.
Also, Suno is partnered with WMG since November… their model has license.
I strongly oppose the use of generative AI in art but if it has to be done, it should at least be labeled as AI.
I know I’m mostly preaching to the choir here, but I don’t think there’s any situation in which AI ‘has’ to be used in art.
I have no idea what Deezer is, and I’m afraid if I ask, somebody is just going to say “DEEZER NUTS!!!” and I will realize it was a big prank.
It is a less shitty alternative to Spotify, while costing less. They are also paying artists considerably more.
The last sentence is a little scary to me, not because it’s a bad thing, but because it’s probably catnip to scammers/AI generators. I hope they can do a good job of detecting it and keeping those scammers at bay, and not paying them for unaware listeners’ mistakes
Not necessarily, if they are more hostile towards that kind of “content” than in this case Spotify, it isn’t necessarily more attractive to AI scammers.
Self-gottem
You couldn’t infer from the headline?
From the headline? No. But I could have just searched for it, or read the article. But it’s more amusing to make a slightly amusing comment.
This (moreso for youtube music, since Deezer seems to not have a lot of East Asian labels signed) is a huge part of why I’ve been building out a selfhosted Navidrome.
Obviously there is the old school way of getting music. But Bandcamp is WAY more beneficial to the artists and ebay and Half Price Books are also awesome for grabbing music.
And combine all that with musicbrainz for scrobbling and discoverability of new bands.