Benn Jordan leveraged his expertise in audio engineering to investigate this phenomenon. Do watch.
Benn Jordan is a gem, do yourself a favor and just go watch all his stuff.
His latest on robot dogs is amazingly well-executed and researched with terrifying conclusions.
Listen to his music, too! It’s amazing! I’ve seen him a few times and one time the equipment at the festival didn’t work so he just improvised his whole set. He was insanely good at it. So much vocoder, it was delightful!
Benn Jordan is like an anarchist Mr. Rogers.
We need an anarchist Mr. Rogers. Just someone pure of heart to talk to kids about taking care of their neighbors no matter what the government says. Little everyday lessons in consensus and how to deal with the conflicts that arise when different people have different big feelings. How everyone is special just for being themselves and we should encourage our neighbors to be their unique selves.
Totally agree.
I don’t disagree, but I feel like the actual Mr. Rogers probably created a lot of Anarchists on his own! I think everything he teaches is not just cohesive with, but runs parallel to, Anarchist teachings. Taking care of yourself and your community is the foundation of Anarchism. I don’t know if being explicit would necessarily help, and it could push some people away from hearing the message.
He was too friendly with cops though.
so, a huge improvement. :)
this is a great video
does he have the video’s research published?
My initial reaction was, “why is Jon Hamm in this video and what happened to his voice?”
But are they seeing ghosts yet
The US has a serious problem with who is able to sue for what damages when it comes to pollution. Depending on if it’s noise, water, or air, the legal codes are not effective at protecting property or people.
Depending on if it’s noise, water, or air, the legal codes are not effective at protecting property or people.
Boy, it’s almost like those are meant to protect something and someone else… Hm… 🤔
Publicize the costs, privatize the profits!
As SCOTUS keeps ruling (most recently, yesterday) corporations are people (id est, have rights) but human beings are not (don’t have rights).
That’s just it though, this is damaging to corporations as well.
It is. And also game companies know that crunching their developers to meet deadlines actually makes things worse, that there have been studies and yet they crunch anyway.
When people have too much power, too often they rule based on vibes rather than on what science and history has shown works.
Almost, they’re not effective at protecting the property or people negatively affected by the pollution because they were specifically designed to protect the people doing the polluting and their “property” (read: capital).
Just tax the fucking things already. Fuck tax breaks and kick out any administrators who take the bribes and go against the wishes of their constituents.
Woah woah woah, let’s not get hasty. I say we dismember the administrators for taking bribes. Why just kick them out?
Why wouldn’t you do that to the board of directors of the companies bribing the officials? When removing weeds you need to pull out the roots.
Everyone involved should be flayed.
When did they say not to?
Because violence tends to either escalate or peter out. Either you run out of people that support you or you eventually force the government to throw all its might at suppressing you. Unless you are very well-prepared, organised and have sufficient and resilient support, it might fail and not achieve much other than provide further pretext for crackdown.
Historically, non-violent resistance has a good track record, if (and only if) it is targeted well and applied with resilience and persistence. It has a potential to galvanise the participants, stir people into action (which helps with recruiting more) and cast the injustice of a violent system into relief.
Mind, non-violently doesn’t mean writing stern letters or standing on the wayside looking pissed. It absolutely includes disrupting, getting in the way, being a nuisance, being impossible to ignore. The Nashville sit-ins, for example, obstructed the business of lunch counters that refused to serve black people by taking up spots reserved for the people that the establishment would actually like to do business with. In our example, people might occupy the offices of the corrupt administrators, asking to talk to them and making them listen to their constituents in the most literal way, refusing to leave until they get results.
It most certainly will be considered some form of unlawful conduct and will possibly be met with force. The police will be called and start making arrests. But a well-organised and patient campaign to coerce the corrupt officials into rescinding their decisions or resigning (at which point their successors will be subjected to the same demand) doesn’t need to hurt people.
It just needs to erode their will until complying with the demands looks like the most bearable option.
If one can dream and not make dreams your master.
Ah, the chimpanzee method.
It really weirds me out that gratuitous violence as a response to societal injustice is so common on Lemmy, if not across Humanity as a whole. Like let’s say this back-to-basics style of justice comes about in modern society and all the relevant assholes are subjected to it. What then? At least, what would the violence even be in the name of? Retribution? How is that productive in any way?
I realize this is a pretty disproportionate response to a relatively banal comment, but I see sentiments such as this one (either intended as sarcasm or not) so often here that I’m essentially using this as a catch-all spot for my thoughts on it.
I’ll just end this tangent with a quote about this sort of thing from a guy way smarter than me (and I promise I’m not just trying to be pretentious it actually applies.)
Absolute freedom mocks at justice. Absolute justice denies freedom. To be fruitful, the two ideas must find their limits in each other. - My buddy Albert Camus
Yeah, the violence would be in the name of justice and retribution!
The chimpanzee method, as you call it, is the best form of justice for those sub-human billionaire and multi-millionaire urchins who kill, rape, and eat children.
Unless, of course, you’re okay with that form of violence? Are you okay with the violence inherent in the capitalist system?
Like where do you draw the line for violence and retribution?
Don’t put words in my mouth, they taste too salty.
To an extent violence is an effective tool: that I can definitely agree with. There’s never been any social progress without blood being shed on some level.
It’s when it turns into a gratuitous means of communal catharsis that it becomes inherently counterintuitive by serving no other practical outcome than creating murderers and dehumanizers out of progressives. And these sub-humans and urchins you speak of are, whether you like it or not, extremely human, and even further than that are direct products of the societies that we’ve been complacent in for our entire lives and, likewise, we are also products of.
So to answer your question clearly, I draw the line at violence when it’s in the name of the abstract: not only because I oppose things like the death penalty as a matter of principle, but because violence for an ideal or ideals is valuable to no one and nothing. No one gains anything material by destroying for the sake of it. It’s just that: destructive. Something I wish we humans learned a long time ago, but I digress.
I think you are just seeing the pot boil over more and more.
It wasn’t like this 2 years ago.
Maybe it’s because treating these amoral shitheads lightly has led us where we are today. They can’t be rehabilitated. They have no interest in being better people. If they’re eliminated they can’t come back to fuck shit up for everyone else anymore. They’re fundamentally broken human beings and should be discarded.
I don’t disagree, but we shouldn’t kid ourselves by getting rid of them in the name of some abstract value like revenge or justice. It should be a means of getting rid of what essentially amounts to a disease in humanity, nothing more. Pulling the lever in the trolley problem, basically.
We also can’t really say that getting rid of the current one-percent will solve the problem once and for all. As far as human civilization has existed there’s always been a group like that. There needs to be systematic prevention of such a group ever coming about in the first place.
If there’s no immediate resolution that we can all definitively see to the problem of disproportionate distribution of wealth, then nobody will be able to agree on when to stop the correctional acts. I mean, who’s to say when justice has been served? Hardly anyone can agree on what justice even is when it comes down to it, considering how it’s a concept that only really exists in human imagination. The French Revolution was great until the revolutionaries basically went nuts and started killing almost anyone who so much as criticized their methods. That shouldn’t be a possibility.
Of course there needs to be guidelines to to ensure things don’t get out of hand but systematic violence is still violence and violence is still necessary to that extent.
Have a number of big fans run at almost the same frequency, and you get an onslaught of waves at the differences of those frequencies.
As they are all nearly the same speed/frequency, the differences will be infrasound, which causes a lot of odd effects on people, like anxiety.
So basically the data centers could alleviate their sound problems by having all their fans run at opposite frequencies to cancel our the sound through deconstructive interference
And do something that’s good for people at virtually no expense? Haha, no.
Or soundproof the building.
Isn’t it really difficult to soundproof against the low frequency noises?
Just use corrugated cardboard and with longer sine waves, duh!
I am not an audio engineer but you might have a point in that the longer low sound waves would be harder to block.
Where my audiophiles at? We need a sound check on low frequency blocking.
Edit:
Found an article on a crypto mining facility mitigating noise issues.https://noisemonitoringservices.com/data-center-noise-control/
https://www.soundtrace.com/blog/data-center-noise-levels-hearing-conservation-osha-compliance
Also found an article stating that underwater data centers would be the best way to reduce noise. Ignoring that sound travels better underwater and combined with heating the water around them, it would massively disrupt untold amounts of marine life, sure!
No because the problem only exists because of differences in the frequencies the fans actually run at. If they all run it exactly the same frequency it would just be a loud hum which would be annoying but fine.
So if they got control of their fan frequencies to the level necessary to do what your suggesting they could just have them all run at the same frequency anyway and alleviate the problem that way. But they won’t because that kind of fan control isn’t really possible.
The real solution would be some kind of soundproofing and maybe not building massive data centres in populated areas.
Why isn’t that kind of fan control possible? It’s probably just not possible now because of the way fans are configured currently.
Because fans are not highly tuneable devices?
They vary greatly, even within the same device, even at the same rpm.
The problem is that you cannot get them synced sufficiently. You basically have to route the complete air flow through a padded chamber to dampen their own and the derived sounds.
Let’s get a grant going and do some tests. Surely if you get a couple of jet engine generators next to each other and fiddle with their frequencies you can get some deconstructive interference. I suspect though that there might be some loss in efficiency, and no data center wants higher fuel costs. Only one way to find out though let’s get this science funded
Yeah, but do you know what’s super useful? Molotov cocktails.
Not sure how effective that would be unless you were able to get inside the building and could strategically deliver them.
What you really need is a drone that can drop thermite, then lower a small EMP device into the hole.
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Hot wire a wrecking ball.
drones/balloons with long metal wire dangling down.
I was thinking 308 punches holes in sides of.computers
The same argument is used by opponents of wind energy - Infrasound is having bad effects on their health. People do say that while living next to roads that are producing infrasound multiple times louder than wind turbines ever could.
It’s a nice argument if you need it.
How on earth do wind turbines produce infrared sound? The huge things there’s no way they can achieve the necessary vibrations to produce audio let alone in for sound it’s just stupid.
The infra sound has been produced from the high pressure wakes generated in the heat exhaust
I am not sure if I get your point. Sound so deep, that humans can’t here it, is below 20 Hz. So beeing huge helps to produce such low frequencies - bigger wind turbines produce more intense infrasound than smaller ones. Infrasound is also produced by wind blowing over the landscape and by waves on the beach.
we’ve had data centres for 40 years how did this only recently come up in America?
Ngl didn’t read the article
Ooh a question I can answer. I will make the answer as neutral as I can just explaining the differences of old Data Centers and new ones.
I worked in several data centers (DC). But all were air cooled. These AI DCs are also called Hyper scales. They need liquid due to the density of heat production. In addition some literally use jet engines to power them instead of grid power. Some new DCs use loopholes like adding wheels to their power production so that way they can skirt around laws saying it’s only temporary power production.
In the past a rack (42u standard) would hold things like hard drives, tape libraries, network stuff, and servers. Now they cram in GPUs by the dozens, run them at max via liquid cooling. Traditional DC cooling used air cooled hot and cold isles, raised floors with air conditioning pump and large scale chiller units.
Hyper scales are whole different animals. They are ment for processing. Depending on their loop system they need water connected right to GPU/CPUs, heat distribution, fresh water. All relatively new due to water’s thermal mass.
Traditional DCs were air cooled. For perspective a fortune 500’s DC may have been 3k sq ft. A Colo (multiple companies sharing one building for infrastructure) may be 15000-50000sq ft. These new data centers are now campuses. Like they are 8 data center buildings on one site because it’s more practical to drive at some point.
TL;DR a Data Center =/= hyperscale data center.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/15/elon-musk-xai-datacenter-memphis
So they build them cheaply and doing everything in their power to avoid regulations. We really need the government to come in and shut these down given all the harm they cause to their local environment.
Yeah. People don’t understand why I’m not anti-datacenter (let me finish before you dog-pile me). Datacenters are very efficient ways to house lots of compute. Power, HVAC, and staffing all benefit from economies of scale. Most of our modern life is highly depent on datacenters, including application specific AI tools (not LLMs, but like medical imaging analysis tools) that will have positive effects on humanity. I do have problems with datacenters that are going up quickly and cheaply, with lax standards for air, water, sound and light pollution, and power subsidized by the surrounding homes, in order to ride the front of this very unstable AI bubble.
Before you ask, I did sign the petition to limit datacenters in my state. I’d sign one to limit new datacenter construction nation-wide. Datacenters are essential to modern life, which is exactly why we should have a higher standard for how they are constructed. I’m not anti-data center, but I am anti-whatever-the-fuck-this-is.
We really need the government to come in and shut these down given all the harm they cause to their local environment
But the government is helping pave the way for it.
It was a theoretical thing. Government is supposed to work for the people, not just corporations. Obviously the government in the US is not doing a good job at that.
You’re right. They are not. At. All.
This would be hell for me.
There is insane amount of impact on health that I was not aware possible until this past 2 years. I can see countries using it as a weapon if they tune it.
I’m surprised the 49ers haven’t already built a data center right next to their stadium.
This is so stupid I cant believe people fall for it
What makes you assume this is bogus, when it’s been shown repeatedly that it can negatively affect people. Just because you’re not sensitive to it, doesn’t mean no one else is.
This is the highlight from your link. The evidence just isnt there to support these claims about LFN maybe it will be one day but at the moment its not.
If it were the case that this LFN was harmful we wouldnt be looking at datacenters for the major sources of this kind of noise.
Lol. Just linked the same video! :D
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/26736540Yeah none of that expertise is relevant here. I like Ben but this video has no substance.
Lol what. Besides the actual scientific tests and result analysis? No substance?
He didnt do a single scientific test. He just baselessly claimed this section of noise was harmful then recorded it and interviewed some crazy hippys to farm emotional content.
While I’m not a fan of Big tech, but this surely is nonsense. Are they saying there are more vibrations than, say, living in New York? Near those train lines and billions of cars (and there are probably data centers there too).
You better watch this video by Benn Jordan about exactly this issue: https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo
He measured the reported issue.
Here is a timestamp witg the datacenrer noise isolated: https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo?t=540