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0? My energy company says I’m using power equivalent to a family of eight. And it’s just wifey , the servers and me. I had cops here asking if I grow weed 😁
So unless you steal power, it surely isn’t close to 0 😁
My solar covers more than my entire electric bills in the mild weather months.
I was thinking of moving to more modern systems with modest power consumption too. One of the systems I picked up is basically a case-as-a-heatsink with no fans.
More likely your system is more sophisticated, I have just joined the hobby, so to say. But I am sure you can go much cheaper than that with bare metal. If I’d really need to host something, I’d rather buy a real server, and invest in solar power instead of paying some rent. Was a happy Digital Ocean customer, before I realised I can do the same with a Raspberry Pi. I was buying a couple of Pis a year for them. Right now, de-facto one Pi can host everything I really need. I regret I wasted about half a thousand on nothing. Could have bought a great NUC instead of wasting money on the cheapest VM for years.
Oh no, I host everything myself, I would never use a cloud-based anything. A pi does a lot, but it wouldn’t do for all my stuff. Jellyfin, AgentDVR, PaperlessNGX and especially LLamaCPP do need a lot of ressources :)
Yeah solar power is much more affordable these days. I live in a vehicle so I have a 500w panel on the roof charging a 200ah lithium battery. I only use a laptop and steam deck, but could easily upscale. The whole system, including the victron controllers & shunt and the 2k inverter came out around £700, but I’m pretty sure stuff has only got cheaper since I bought it. I have way more power than I need in summer, though there are maybe two months in winter when I have to charge everything in daylight. I could always add a small wind generator if I needed. Renewables are totally feasible these days
This is why im doing my homelab on low powered processors (5825u NAS boards). Runs way cooler and is way more efficient. Same performance as my 9900kf gaming PC cpu wise.
I was on very low-powered too. As I’m a damn cheapskate. But then the performance started to piss me off and i went nuts. Plus a fat gpu for LLAMACPP for the smarthome. Also I’m gaming A LOT. So it adds up :)
That’s fair. I have a 6800xt in my pc and I use that for my llm.
That said, I think I’m slightly misleading you. My current setup is not a 5825u. It’s my old laptop with an i7-8550u. I’m going to move it to the 5825u soon.
I think I’m at a family of four or five, but I’m alone with my dogs and my weed and my servers. Being able to legally self-host your own drug supply is great.
We’re (krauts) allowed to do that too now. But a friend does, so I don’t need to. I would suck at it anyway. Last time i did that was 30yrs ago. Planted A SHITTON, and when i reaped it, I had like 5 fat ass ikea-bags full of tasty weed. Had them dry in a room I never use and…forgot them. All went bad. I should stick to non-living things like servers :-)
How does running a server, assuming it’s used some amount of internet bandwidth, handle residential internet speeds? If I’ve got a gig up and down, can I reasonably run like a jellyfin for my friends?
I only use jelly for wifey+me, so it’s overseeable. A gig UP surely does help. depending on your source-material, how many watch CONCURRENTLY and how much needs to be transcoded. So hard to say, but 3-5 people should be good with that.
My isp hasn’t complained. I have fiber at my house and symmetrical gigabit. You should be fine if you transcode to reduce bandwidth needed as you still use your own internet. But I’m not running jellyfin on my home server.
I also self host and I wouldn’t say the cost is zero. In the UK, energy costs alone mean that a 40W computer cost £8 per month to run (assuming a 28p/kWh price).
Of course, that’s assuming you run it 24/7 at full energy use, but I know my PCs run on more than that.
Me running everything on a single postgress instance on my shitbox 0€/month
0? My energy company says I’m using power equivalent to a family of eight. And it’s just wifey , the servers and me. I had cops here asking if I grow weed 😁
So unless you steal power, it surely isn’t close to 0 😁
My solar covers more than my entire electric bills in the mild weather months.
I was thinking of moving to more modern systems with modest power consumption too. One of the systems I picked up is basically a case-as-a-heatsink with no fans.
Never bothered with solar. Tbh the only benefit I see there is integrating it into the smart-home 😁
No fans would be great, but it’s not just the PC that makes noise. It’s the switches and NASs and UPSs…
So you, wife and your 6 digital kids, checks out.
If you put it that way…kinda 😬
I realised I don’t need my servers being online 24/7, so for me that’s Raspberry Pi and equivalents, plus powering on computers on demand.
Oh. Okay. That comes close to 0. Mine runs 24/7, just because it would take too long to power down and up all machines, VMS, switches etc 😁
More likely your system is more sophisticated, I have just joined the hobby, so to say. But I am sure you can go much cheaper than that with bare metal. If I’d really need to host something, I’d rather buy a real server, and invest in solar power instead of paying some rent. Was a happy Digital Ocean customer, before I realised I can do the same with a Raspberry Pi. I was buying a couple of Pis a year for them. Right now, de-facto one Pi can host everything I really need. I regret I wasted about half a thousand on nothing. Could have bought a great NUC instead of wasting money on the cheapest VM for years.
Oh no, I host everything myself, I would never use a cloud-based anything. A pi does a lot, but it wouldn’t do for all my stuff. Jellyfin, AgentDVR, PaperlessNGX and especially LLamaCPP do need a lot of ressources :)
Yeah solar power is much more affordable these days. I live in a vehicle so I have a 500w panel on the roof charging a 200ah lithium battery. I only use a laptop and steam deck, but could easily upscale. The whole system, including the victron controllers & shunt and the 2k inverter came out around £700, but I’m pretty sure stuff has only got cheaper since I bought it. I have way more power than I need in summer, though there are maybe two months in winter when I have to charge everything in daylight. I could always add a small wind generator if I needed. Renewables are totally feasible these days
This is why im doing my homelab on low powered processors (5825u NAS boards). Runs way cooler and is way more efficient. Same performance as my 9900kf gaming PC cpu wise.
I was on very low-powered too. As I’m a damn cheapskate. But then the performance started to piss me off and i went nuts. Plus a fat gpu for LLAMACPP for the smarthome. Also I’m gaming A LOT. So it adds up :)
That’s fair. I have a 6800xt in my pc and I use that for my llm.
That said, I think I’m slightly misleading you. My current setup is not a 5825u. It’s my old laptop with an i7-8550u. I’m going to move it to the 5825u soon.
I think I’m at a family of four or five, but I’m alone with my dogs and my weed and my servers. Being able to legally self-host your own drug supply is great.
We’re (krauts) allowed to do that too now. But a friend does, so I don’t need to. I would suck at it anyway. Last time i did that was 30yrs ago. Planted A SHITTON, and when i reaped it, I had like 5 fat ass ikea-bags full of tasty weed. Had them dry in a room I never use and…forgot them. All went bad. I should stick to non-living things like servers :-)
ich habe meins nicht vergessen
Mine blew my socks off, but i smoke so little that I have to grow once a year max.
I probably vape even less. But also rarely, so I’m not a measure for anything 😁
I do it mainly because I love to.
Who doesn’t 😁
How does running a server, assuming it’s used some amount of internet bandwidth, handle residential internet speeds? If I’ve got a gig up and down, can I reasonably run like a jellyfin for my friends?
I only use jelly for wifey+me, so it’s overseeable. A gig UP surely does help. depending on your source-material, how many watch CONCURRENTLY and how much needs to be transcoded. So hard to say, but 3-5 people should be good with that.
Easily
My isp hasn’t complained. I have fiber at my house and symmetrical gigabit. You should be fine if you transcode to reduce bandwidth needed as you still use your own internet. But I’m not running jellyfin on my home server.
I was running it on a couple hundred Mbps up for a while, and gig up is fine
I also self host and I wouldn’t say the cost is zero. In the UK, energy costs alone mean that a 40W computer cost £8 per month to run (assuming a 28p/kWh price).
Of course, that’s assuming you run it 24/7 at full energy use, but I know my PCs run on more than that.
I got solars, my energy bill is very low, its like 40€ for 3 months
So jealous. My energy bill is like £130/m and £80 of that is electricity.
You might wanna do the math on solars, even if its a cloudy place like the UK, their lifespan and nearly 0 upkeep makes them great value
How’s the math work on a shady place? I’ve got a big-ass tree above most of my roof.
No idea tbh, but from what i’ve heard is that it only pushes the payback age a year or two but you’ll have to double check me on that
I don’t own a house yet, like most people in the UK under 40, but when I do I will definitely consider it.
28p per kWh? Holy smokes.I think it ranges from 5 cents to 8 cents per kWh here. There are a lot of fees tacked on but those are there anyway.
Yeah just went to check and the price in my area is 22-28p/kWh, can confirm.
It’s very fucked over here.