I give up.
I tried left and right to try to install an email server so I could degoogle my life.
But therechnical barrier is thick and Google keeps adding more to it. Forget it. I can’t even get thru the installation process much less trying to get my shit off Google.
I figure, I don’t actually have any need for my email addresses. Just like my phone number. I never call anyone. I’m going to discourage my kids from using email at all. I’ll remind everyone I know that I don’t use email at every opportunity I get just like I remind people to not call me and that my phone number is not available.
Between spammers and Google, I just don’t need this headache in my life. My mom is much less technically savvy than the average pet. So Google will just siphon her data and when the megabits are full then you just delete the old stuff.
You don’t need it. No one will spend their life reading your emails when you’re gone or watching your videos or listening to your recordings or viewing your photos. There’s no need to worry about just deleting the pile of shit you’ve accumulated. I’m this done.
I outsourced my email to a provider.
Works great and only coats me 8€ per month for not having to wrestle IP spamlists, mailserver maintenance and reachability.just get a trustworthy hoster and a good client application. Boom, most of the benefits with none of the headache.
And yeah, E-Mail is, what a decade of expanding scope does to you.
What is a good, paid email service that is
- Not expensive
- Can be payed wity crypto
- Can use my own domain
?
if sending cash by mail is also an acceptable anonymous payment option, https://mailbox.org/ maybe something for you
+1 for mailbox. Even though I pay with credit card. They’re outside the country so worst case, the US knows I use them. That’s fine.
Thanks. No I can’t send them cash
I have a service that I’m providing as a beta at the moment. The code is all Free Software (Debian, Stalwart, Bulwark) and the data is sovereign to Europe (SEAL level 4). Hosted in Sweden, Finland and soon Norway. All run by a Swedish company without any US corporate involvement so you’re not subject to Chinese or American jurisdiction (which means no US Cloud Act) but you are subject to European jurisdiction so you have GDPR and DSA protection, e.g. the right to be forgotten. Beta access is here: https://sverige.email/en/sign-up/
ProtonMail, maybe Tuta Mail.
I’ve heard bad things about both. Proton implies a lot of lock in and you almost can’t use it with custom clients (thunderbird, aerc)
Tuta’s support is pretty much nonexistent.
There is a local relay that allows to basically use ProtonMail with whatever client you want to. It’s a bit more work, for sure, but it allows to use their encryption without having to install any addon on your client.
What advantage are you trying to get with crypto?
Being able to pay easily. I’m in a region with no access to visa,master and other international payment methods.
The only simple way for me to buy products from otger countries is with crypto.
You don’t need your own email server to degoogle your life.
Yes selfhosting it is awesome but it’s definitely not the simplest service to do host.
I rage guit my email server long ago. True, as evidenced in this thread, there are some who successfully run their own email server and that’s awesome. I am quite jealous. I too gave up, but I went with a small EU based company. It’s no frills, just the basics. I don’t send/receive a lot of email, so I don’t need all the bells and whistles. If you’re de-googling your life, you don’t have to specifically run your own email service. I do hear a lot of positives about MailCow tho.
Never self host email. It’s way too much of a pain.
If it was painful for you, this does not mean nobody should even try. FMPOV my mailbox contains too much personal information to host in in the cloud.
Just use mailbox.org or posteo.de . Using one of those providers is so much better than a Google mail address but so easier than hosting your own mail server.
Yep honestly paying for posteo (fully foss back-end) is worth it. Self-hosting email is on the hardest side, not impossible but require more time and knowledge than many other services.
I’d try Maddy if I were going to setup my personal email server now. But I already have postfix/dovecot/all-that-shit up and running for years.
This really saddens me. Email is such a fundamentally good and open protocol. The only reason people don’t like it is because of big tech’s shenanigans.
I run an email service called Port87. I invite you to try it and see if it can convince you that email is actually a great technology, when detached from big tech slop. It’s got some really killer features that make it great for organization and preventing spam. You can also tell it that on certain addresses, it should completely ignore the strict auth requirements it usually has, so it will accept email from your own services without you having to set up all the extra bullshit that’s meant for stuff that matters more.
I was told about this one but never actually tried it. I am more hellbent on setting up my own server so I never have to migrate from anywhere.
If you have your own domain, you won’t ever have to migrate addresses, just possibly providers.
I do have one yeah. I’ll have to take a look.
Fair enough - I got it working recently but it was the hardest self-hosting install I’ve done. No way most people would succeed. Email is 50(?) years of questionable design decisions piled on top of each other so it’s become a whole world of weird stuff. Doing email should be it’s own tech specialty, like ‘devops’ or ‘db admin’ is. There’s enough depth to it.
There are a ton of email providers who are not Google, though. e.g. https://proton.me/mail. You don’t need to run it on your own hardware.
Doing email should be it’s own tech specialty, like ‘devops’ or ‘db admin’ is.
It literally is, and has been for quite a while :D Enterprise level email admins make a pretty penny eheheh.
I remember working on sendmail back in the day. I had skills then, but mastering sendmail would elevate you to be the guru on the mountain. I struggled to the foothills and managed enough to maintain it, only scratching the surface. There was and is a lot there. The O’reilly sendmail book was the thickest of my collection and I might even still have it.
That book was likely a huge boost to my career. My first tech job was for a very small shop and the owner insisted that everything run Solaris. Which meant sendmail all day long.
That book got me through some rough times. Fucking sendmail milters … in 2000.
I share your pain!
Yeah, hosting your own email server is pretty tough.
I think something like https://migadu.com/ might be more in the middle of hosting your own server and purely using someone else’s frontend.
I just switched to migadu and found it painless and easy, I also run an email server with mail-in-a-box, which is great.
I gave their self-hosted version a go and got stuck with the gmail connection. For Auth2.0 they’ve built some new bullshit. I think I gotta create an app to pretend I’m a dev, then use that app and password to allow it on my security settings… Google is such a bunch of shit assholes. Fuck Google! With a splintered rusty corrugate hose. Assholes. Who is gonna do that? Nobody. It’s just a tiny bit more than whatever technical knowledge I’m willing to spend cells on. Nah, I’m done.
https://hub.docker.com/r/mailserver/docker-mailserver/
It just works. Once you got it working.
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Similarly I gave up trying to keep up with the ever evolving mail server requirements. I’d wake up to find my emails weren’t reaching people because Google and MS had strongarmed some change into place again.
These days I just use inbox.eu for my email.
Proton or Tuta mail. Supports aliasing so you can make unique email addresses per website, and trash them if you get spammed.
Singing up for a paid account you also get VPN, drive storage, password manager, docs, sheets, AI chat (I know), calendar, meetings and authenticator.
Just get a domain and point it at a provider. Now you’re not locked in and can switch at will upon enshittification. Get one of the offline mail archive services like OpenArchiver. Job done.