• paranoia@feddit.dk
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      23 hours ago

      Needs to be that everyone agrees at once, otherwise the Palantirs of the world will keep going.

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        12 hours ago

        Also needs to be a statement made in good faith and not marketing bluster in the form of concern trolling.

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        18 hours ago

        If only there was a centralized institution that would set rules and enforce them to create equality and fairness while building equity socially beneficial.

        (Insert image here of Trump building a Mad Max style fight cage on the White House.)

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        19 hours ago

        the Palantirs of the world

        Which are nurtured by Capitalism and the free marked cult. If I were a rich psychopath, the first propaganda/manipulation I would pay for, was to promote the economic system that is most valuable to me. We can see that the same propaganda campaigns have created/maintained the omni-present ‘red scare’ and there are STILL people this day that use words like ‘Commies’ and similar primitive propaganda dogmas. What a coincidence that the Epstein class just happens to agree on 100 free markets and dislike Communism/socialism and similar systems that take away their power. Big wonder… The ‘Free market’ cult was created via ‘manufacturing consent’ propaganda by rich sh*tters, and now the childish belief-system have nurtured and grown the psychopaths and wealth to generate ‘the Palantirs of the world’. The Fascist surveillance state was always the endgame of Capitalism…

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          19 hours ago

          Do you not think that a hypothetical state without Capitalism could also generate an automated surveillance state? It feels to me to be less tied to the market system and more to authoritarianism. I would simply point to the fact that many European nations under socialism did have very strong secret police spying on the public under the pretext of protection from counter-revolution, which is not really any different to the countries under capitalism today, minus the technology.

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            12 hours ago

            The European nations seem to all be capitalist from what I can see over here in North America. They do have much more in the way of civic investment and social programs than some other capitalist nations, like the USA, but those things are not socialism. I believe right-wing propaganda opposed to those programs and investments has worked hard to tie them and the “socialism” boogieman together, but they’re not. Socialism and capitalism are economic systems; all that other stuff is policy that is not economic.

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              10 hours ago

              When I spoke about European countries under socialism I meant East Germany (Stasi), USSR (KGB), Czechoslovakia (StB), Hungary (AVH), etc.

              None of these countries were capitalist at the time and maintained gigantic security services to spy on the entire population.

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                9 hours ago

                Ooh, that is a different matter entirely. We’ve managed to be fortunate to be spared a lot of those historic hard times, though we seem to be leading the charge towards some brand new hard times lately.