I just avoid everyone
Per the statistics of violent behavior men should not be around other men.
Men are statistically more likely to be violent than all other groups defined by gender.
However, there are far better groupings of humans to use when it comes to predisposition for violence than “gender” (for example, “people espousing rightwing ideologies” display a higher tendency for violent behavior) and the thing that needs questioning here is why the German police association chief purposefully chose to use a grouping of humans with a lower correlation to violent behavior rather than one whose members are far more likely to engage in violent behavior, and the same questioning applies to the “journalist” that wrote the article.
This shit stinks of “stirring identitarianism to avoid pointing finger at certain specific groups”, kinda like how the same shit is relentlessly used in Neoliberal politics to distract people from the size, scope and effects of Wealth Inequality.
because it’s low hanging fruit and easy stereotyping that plays into people’s irrational fears. people like having their biases confirmed.
the social script in western societies is largely ‘woman good, man bad’. and westerners generally agree with that that bias.
As I indirectly pointed out with my first paragraph, even if we don’t dispute the choice of this specific overgeneralistic segmentation of people to talk about violence, it’s still intellectually dishonest: men aren’t specifically more violent towards women than towards other men.
In fact the statistics show that men are the main victims of violence committed by men.
Further, to me this whole “advice”, especially coming from an important police official, has a stink of “don’t dress slutty to avoid getting raped”.
It should be about reducing criminality, not about telling potential victims to be less free with their own behaviors (how typical of the German authorities) so that they’re less likelly to be victims, and guess what’s important in reducing criminality: narrowing your scope to the most likely criminal element so as to focus more resources on them.
That’s what’s behind the main point of my post.
Men are statistically more likely to be violent than all other groups defined by gender.
lmao. What type of men are statistically more likely to be violent than all other groups of men ? We all know it s sure wasnt the case 10 or 20 year ago but if you say so it s a big no no and german police come after you. Kinda remind me of why they tooke so much timee about new year incident in cologne 10 year ago already.
Poor men, because the rich men have written tbe was so that their violence is not considered criminal.
Either your aren’t aware about what I’m talking about either it s sad and dishonest. Poverty doesn’t force you to be violent toward women in case you dont know or have never experienced poverty
Oh you’re just shifting the conversation towards violence against women in particular. Ignoring violence against men and using that ad a cover fke your own thinly veiled racist dogwhistles. Cool stuff.
So, the next most violent gender is women?
This could be refined a step further, avoid Muslim immigrant men.
That image is short one finger. And the boob is really low.
I think that’s the edge of a jacket
Maybe. My point is it’s AI slop for the photo, which is discrediting to the source as a whole
go the bears!
This is how I know being gay isn’t a choice. I wish so bad I was attracted to women but my woman brain finds men attractive exclusively which makes avoiding them difficult unless I want to become celibate, which I do not.
you only find certain men attractive. the question is what sort of men are those?
do they have violent behaviors? why is it that you find those men attractive and not non-violent men?
because something like 80% of men are non-violent. And the majority of repeated violence is only committed by 1-2% of men.
I’m trying. The lil bastards are everywhere.
sorry. I’ll hide better next time
I really want to know how the data on gender violence is collected. In Italy we use the data from collectives who consider an extreme violent act of manipulation and control of women’s body even stuff like expressing an opinion on an outfit or the makeup. They will give women found on social media a questionary of 7 questions to answer with yes/no/I don’t know. I don’t think this is a rigorous way to collect data
usually crime stats or self-reports in polling/studies. at least in the USA
but you’re correct that these data points are going to vary from country to country, because crimes and assaults have different legal definitions, and there are different social standards and laws about what is or isn’t violence.
“My statement was obviously an exaggeration. It was not meant as advice to be taken literally,” he said. “The overwhelming majority of men are not violent and are not criminals.”
I guess better advice would be how to get background information on prospective partners and, if there’s no history in the courts or from former partners, what some red flags to look for might be. How do you differentiate the safe men from the dangerous ones?
From the article, the chief and the reporter got threats afterward. A bit ironic to want to do violence to someone who warned that relationships can become violent.
Man the internet is full of bots and ragebaiters
There is no way to predict the future. A lot of violence in relationship takes months/years to appear. Plenty of violent and abusive people have no criminal record or red flags. And the ones who are really good at it… know how to manipulate people and tend to be very charming and attractive. There is no ‘standard profile’ of an abuser.
Further lots of bad partners only drop their good person act once they have reached a level of security in the relationship. I had one girlfriend who only started physically attacking me once we had reached the stage of moving in. Because she finally felt she ‘had’ me and she could be her ‘real self’, and that ‘real self’ was a terrible person and her fake self had been wonderful. Her ‘feeling safe’ with me was what allowed her to slap, punch, and kick me. She was totally shocked and BETRAYED that I left her for her physical abuse, because I was a stupid man who didn’t understand that “I had made her really angry and she couldn’t help herself because she loves me so much!”
There’s plenty of men in similar situations. I have heard men basically describing that they have been sexually assaulted without them even understanding that they are victims. I got friends who would be considered victims of domestic violence if they were women
Hey stop listening to my conversations, that was in private!
Seriously though that happened to me lol. Had an ex ask “what were your worst sexual encounters” and she literally had to tell me those were all sexual assault (on me not by me).
One of them would legally be rape if she was a guy (maybe two actually) but in my state women can’t be charged with rape and even if they could good luck convincing a jury that I wasn’t actually “lucky” or I’m not “secretly gay” and she was hot so I “must have enjoyed it” anyway.
yes, because our society basically thinks female on male sexual assault is ‘getting lucky’. even when it’s female on male underage rape, the media portrays it as no big deal and the majority of the commentary is ‘that boy was so lucky’. but if it’s male on female, the male assaulter is the scum of the earth and people fantasize about killing him.
I wouldn’t be shocked at all if female to male partner violence was roughly on par with male on female violence, in reality. some studies show the rates are much higher than anyone suspects. but there is so much bias that female on male assault is not assault, sexual, physical, emotional, etc. our gender norms basically permit women to be violent without shame or consequence, meanwhile we are eternally vigilant about male on female violence.
One of my biggest take away from therapy was learning it’s NOT OK for a woman to scream, hit, threaten, or use other abusive/manipulative tactics on me. It’s also why I’ve basically been almost perpetual single since therapy, because the vast majority of women I have ever dated do these things and it’s considered completely normal for a man to tolerate it, and totally unacceptable for a man to do these things to a woman. The double standards are completely insane.
But hey, clearly I’m a closeted homosexual if I don’t enjoy being screamed at, threatened with violence, or physically/sexually assaulted by a woman!
I think it’s fair to say histories and red flags are not enough. But they are something. You will have false negatives (the guy hid it or his personality has changed for the worse) and false positives (the guy has changed for the better or the red flag wasn’t a good indicator).
You can’t predict behavior with certainty, but you can improve your odds.
You can also generate a lot of false positives and shut yourself off from good people by assuming they are guilty into proven innocent.
Can we agree that women put themselves at enhanced risk if they date men convicted of murdering past girlfriends?
I guess? You realize that for some women, that would be a turn-on though, right?
Plenty of women are attracted to violent and dangerous men, because they are violent and dangerous to be around. And there is also a smaller subset who are seeking to re-enact past traumas with future partners, so they are seeking out abusive situations.
You can’t police other people’s attractions or personal choices, if that’s what you think we should do. For some reason that’s a weirdly common belief on this platform.
What a bizarre direction this conversation has meandered!
Let’s go back to where we started. It was figuring out if there is any advice to help women recognize men who were more likely to be dangerous to them.
You said there’s no way to predict the future. My argument is that we can’t know for certain, but we can improve the odds of a better outcome. We do that with information.
There’s a difference between making information available for better decisions and policing / dictating those decisions. The police chief who got this started used hyperbole to make people think about the danger that comes from domestic partners. He’s the literal police, but he wasn’t proposing to ban all heterosexual relationships.
I used the example of a known murderer as hyperbole to try to get you to recognize that information about past partners, while not dictating outcomes, can still help us navigate the odds and make us safer.
There is no generalized advice to recognize this.
It’s a pragmatic skill that you can’t teach. It’s something you learn from experience.
Because that how I know how to detect violent and abusive women.
But there is no way for me to transmit that ‘skill’ via language, anymore than I can instruct you how to hit a baseball well by talking you through it. You have to learn it for yourself. Or like welding. You can read up on welding, but that won’t make you good at welding. Only experience and practice can.
Information about past partners is also generally hearsay. My violent and abusive exes would tell you that it was me that was the problem in the relationship, not them. They would tell you how awful i was neglectful, stubborn, and ‘didn’t listen’ and there violence a necessity to get me to ‘understand’. And my most violent abusive partner would have told you it was because I was mentally ill and she was just trying to ‘help’ me though her scream, physical assault, and threats.
Not to mention the same factors that I see as red flags… would for other people, be attractive and see as positives. Where I see emotional instability, they see ‘expressiveness and passion’. Where I see cruelty and hostility, they see ‘strength’.
This might be going too far. I mean anyone could murder their girlfriend in the right circumstances. I think it’s far more reasonable to suggest a red flag after they’ve murdered perhaps three girlfriends. Certainly four.
You’re right. There’s just no way to be certain. Without certainty, we know nothing.
ah a Baldur’s Gate 3 fan!
I mean, yeah if you want to be perfectly safe… you shouldn’t ever leave the house or eat food either.
But it’s pretty hard to do anything in life if you can’t leave the house or eat food.
What a stupid thing to say. Food doesn’t rape me or murder me after being attracted to me and finding out I am trans.
men don’t either.
rapists rape you. murders murder you.
rape and murder or not exclusive behaviors to any gender.
perhaps you should stop blaming men, and start blaming individuals.
But if the food is rotten or contaminated in can kill you
The same way a bad man can kill you
We could test the food, but no test is perfect.
What else would you expect from a group ideologically close to the AfD?
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“Men” is not a race and it’s not even sexist. It was just hyperbole that some people chose to take seriously to be offended. Though there might be some merit to it sounding a bit like victim blaming since it’s advising potential victims to do something that they’re unlikely to do, which could be weaponized to blame them for being a victim later.
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Fuck off racist asshole
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Are you too stupid to understand what “Fuck off” means? Would fit the usual racist assholes tbf
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There is no discussion with racist assholes. Fuck off.
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Seems like a really simple next step to determine what % of rapes were performed by foreign born. Stats you gave are so disconnected as to be worthless.
Violence starts in socially degraded contexts, no matter what kind of it. If we don’t give immigrants an opportunity to integrate or at least become functional, they will turn violent. This also happens with nationals of course but it’s not as likely
I might be stretching it a bit, but maybe the immigrants are unwillingly being used by the right-wing to expand, which probably does rape more people?
If that seemed too confusing: More immigrants = more right-wingers = more rapists
5% in Poland, 40% in Germany. However the moment they get citizenship in Germany they get classified as German suspects, and you get citizenship after 5 years of living there.
Source for those numbers?
Germany (English article citing German minister presenting the data; I don’t speak German didn’t check the raw source) https://www.dw.com/en/germany-sees-rise-in-sexual-violence-and-youth-offenses/a-72116932#%3A~%3Atext=How+do+Germany’s+crime+figures%2C%2C+were+non-German+suspects.
Poland: article citing Interior minister: https://www.gazetaprawna.pl/wiadomosci/kraj/artykuly/9843984,ile-zabojstw-i-gwaltow-dokonuja-cudzoziemcy-w-polsce-sa-najnowsze-dan.html in Polish
Please note it’s a bit higher than I wrote, its 5%. 2% was a decade ago.
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