Protest against the Omarchy/Omacom Foundation and the tech companies and executives funding far-right open source.
I am locking the thread only because the comment sections has turn out to be full of toxicity. I am reserving my opinions, but seldom bans will be issued for those who defend far-right, support lies, and lacks basic ethics and/ or human empathy. Feel free to reach out via the report button. Do not use it to defend yourself from “insults” when people disagree with you.
With all the options aroud, I really don’t see the point to even try it.
- FUTO
- Louis Rossmann
- Richard M. Stallman
- Jacob Appelbaum
- suckless
Fuuuuuck…
Louis Rossmann
Wait what?!
There’s three points next to his name:
- “Worked with” someone who has some links to right side politics to get funding for a right to repair non profit.
- Unless there’s more info somewhere, I don’t see this being overly bad since he’s all about trying to change laws for the better, and just by virtue of doing that you will need to at least interact with the slimy part of politics.
- Anti-trans:
which can be paraphrased as “I think transgender women are men but I’m willing to overlook it if we have common cause”- So identity denying. This looks more like he doesn’t have enough information than a case of far right conspiracy trans are pedos shit. Seeing how he’s changed his mind about things in the past when presented with new information, and knowing how deep he goes into rabbit holes (especially when it comes to rights) when he finds them, I see this as unfortunate, but potentially redeemable.
Louis has been a regular poster on the hate and harassment website Kiwi Farms, posting there from 2023 to the present under the username “larossmann”.- I don’t have enough information on this to have a proper opinion. This looks like something that warrants further investigation…
In my point of view this is a witch-hunt, i dont know many of the names. I checked some people on the list and the allegations, make your own research - i dont take this list of „clean foss and the it-scene from this people“ serious.
Thanks for being a voice of sanity. While I don’t care for defending celebrities on the internet, I also don’t care for purity testing, and since I have been a booster of his work and ideas on occasion, wanted to do a bit of due diligence and had largely come to the same “smoke but no actual fire” conclusion
On that last point, I was really curious so I suited up and checked it out: https://kiwifarms.st/search/39060321/?t=post&c[content]=post&c[users]=larossmann&o=date
He has only posted on exactly one thread, funnily enough about him (but not started by him) and all of the comments I read have been talking about various bits of content, but I did not see anything that I would consider out-of-character or promoting hate in my opinion.
Is this a good look? Not great for sure, since Kiwi Farms is definitely an edgelord paradise. But oddly enough, its at least consistent with his ethos, since he always talks about being bipartisan.
- “Worked with” someone who has some links to right side politics to get funding for a right to repair non profit.
Am I blind? I don’t see those people mentioned in the article anywhere
Also check out Fashware and Weird Little Guys Of FOSS, on which the extended list was based.
What are these names? I couldnt see them in the patron list
They were in the extended list
Reality is stranger than fiction.
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Amazing how much shit an unremarkable pseudo distro can stir up. Deservedly. Techbros like DHH are a cancer.
I don’t give a shit about DHH or Omarchy.
The sad part and why it sucks so much is because instead of feeding people we just gave $18m to a fascist to babysit some shitty post install scripts…
Reality is stranger than fiction.
Edit. FUCK every org associated with Omarchy. I’ll never give them a fucking dime.
Switch to windows
Reading The Omarchy Doctrine made me physically cringe. That alone is a good argument to boycott Omarchy.
This is some deeply unserious nonsense. Omarchy will blow up the moment it gains any real traction. I can see the infighting coming from miles away, the money will make it worse. Stacking up on popcorn might be a good idea.
The Omarchy Doctrine is a public, fascist creed: heritage as duty, hold the line, the will to power. It matches Roger Griffin’s palingenetic populist ultranationalism and Robert Paxton’s first stage of fascism: a creed, a leader, followers…
this guy knows how to spot fascism
As someone who was vaguely aware of omarchy and an arch user already, I had no interest in using it. I am happy to see more people talking about why it could be controversial. It helps counter the propaganda being pushed by the influencers right now. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Neocities! Niiiice.
Kinda, but then it kinda screams “one unhappy nerd did this” instead of organized action.
Only to the kids. The olds grok it.
And this is just going to fuel on the fire that is DHH’s crusade. He’s already called the linux community “a bunch of clowns” so this is just going to generate more money for his dotfiles and more than likely grow the userbase.
Granted the Omarchy userbase are a bunch of morons. Also doesn’t help that youtube linux content creators are all pretty much praising the damn thing and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know why. Makes it easy to know which creators to unsub from but it literally leaves it with 4 left one of which doesn’t post anymore.
Who has been prai$ing it?
Omarchy who?
Dont waste your time on this man, just a bunch a SJWs complaining again.
Lmao eat shit chud.
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I’ve Omarchy installed in one of my laptops & I’m going to keep using it. If you have a problem with politics, you shouldn’t be using iPhones for similar reasons. Steve jobs was worse & he drove people to delete themselves.
As long as you have nothing to say about Apple/boycott Apple, I’m disregarding your takes on Omarchy.
Enjoy eating meals with Nazis and then breathlessly trying to explain to normal people that you’re not actually one yourself.
So nobody who make things cannot have an opinion anymore? Grow up.
Are you suggesting that people shouldn’t have opinions about others, just because they make things? Grow up.
I can’t imagine someone hearing racist beliefs and then defending them as just opinions someone can have. Like that’s fuckin crazy. Corporate media has done such a number on people they can’t even recognize the swastika on their fuckin arm.
Corporate media has done such a number on people they can’t even recognize the swastika on their fuckin arm.
What? Do you even speak English?
Everywhere I look in these threads I see accusations of “far-right”, “racist”, “Nazi”, “fascist”, etc, coming from people who seem to me to be in support of equally extremist views such as communism, sexual sterilization of minors, unchecked mass migration, and other objectively destructive social, political and economic views. You’re all standing in glass houses lobbing stones without the slightest bit of self-awareness of the sheer hypocrisy involved.
Not all of us who work in tech are so thoroughly indoctrinated with far left ideology that we can’t see the reality on the ground in our own homelands and develop an informed opinion on it. The bottom line is, whatever projects you’re involved with could just as easily become the target of this same kind of purity test that you’re all trying to enforce. There’s not much stopping any given software project from being forked and taken over by new management once enough people get sick of the ideologues who’ve positioned themselves as self-proclaimed moral gatekeepers.
Meanwhile the beauty of FLOSS in itself is that it is (at least was until fairly recently) effectively borderless, allowing people from vastly different cultures, backgrounds and political affiliations, to all collaborate on producing great products made freely available to everyone. By its nature it transcends and transgresses all these artificial boundaries and flies in the face of the politics we’re always told should divide us as human beings. It’s well past time everyone spits out their respective koolaid and is reminded of that fact. FLOSS is a bridge which brings us together and helps us overcome our differences through shared labors of love. Those who try to inject division and discord into that ethos have no rightful place among us.
You’re a huge dumbass who fell for so much propaganda that it’s almost impossible to even begin to argue with any of this because there are so many bad faith points and false equivalences here.
Just from your opening statement, I see “communism” as an “extreme viewpoint” (it’s not), “sexual sterilization of minors” which is a transphobic dog whistle (no one is sterilizing children), “unchecked mass migration” which is MAGA racist dog-whistle bullshit for “I think only white people should be allowed in rich countries” (no one is opening borders and eschewing immigration law, not even Obama or Biden), “and other objectively destructive” as if your opinion is pure objectivity (delusional) and destructive? Destructive of what, oppressive norms that serve only to entrench power structures while removing freedoms from people who would just like to live their lives?
“The bottom line is, whatever projects you’re involved with could just as easily become the target of this same kind of purity test that you’re all trying to enforce.” - yeah, if they start publishing Nazi-inspired blog posts dehumanizing people and praising authoritarian repressive figures, start raising tons of capital with the hopes of cashing in on their creation: Why the fuck WOULD we support making those assholes rich? It’s not about the software dumbass, it’s about not funding toxic and oppressive figures.
Unchecked mass migration is a problem - these people need work, education, shelter and a lot more to integrate. If a country doesnt have enough ressources to provide this you will get large clusters of people living in a parallel society, not able to speak the language of the hosting country, no chance to have a good job, lots of hate on both sides and the rise of racism and fascism.
“unchecked mass migration”
I have actually seen a few lemmy comments implying that anybody should be able to walk into countries like the US or Spain and become citizens.
if the US can enter the middle east at their own will and bomb the civilians there then yes those same people should be allowed to enter the US for free. You want powers but not the consequences?
You’re conflating military with civilian.
Besides, when people talk about legalizing illegal immigrants in the US, it’s usually not about middle easterns.
Y’know what? You’re right. What builds a strong FLOSS project is a community of open-minded people ready to look over some differences to focus on what matters. I don’t care if you, say, hate communism, or pineapple on pizza, if we can work alongside each other building what aligns with both of us.
The problem is, the latest political turn has people turning against each other, breaking that promise. Hyprland community allows open mocking of trans people. DHH openly calls for the deportation of migrants, some of which are also FLOSS contributors who may lose their livelihood and with it, an ability to participate. The list goes on, and this is what the stir is really about.
No one cares if it’s some views you hold in the vacuum. But these views convert to policies that end up alienating vital parts of the community, and, diverse as FLOSS community is, you’re practically guaranteed to splinter it if you go this route.
For decades, FLOSS came from the place of accepting people as they are. Now this promise is broken, and here we mock and avoid people who made this happen. It is not a purity test, it is a practical way to stand for the community and people that represent it through these turbulent times. The people we end up calling fascist are those who get actively hostile to large groups of people, some of which are inevitably part of what makes the whole FLOSS movement roll. We should never, ever associate with people who murder the promise and foundation FLOSS is built on. DHH and others on the list are among them.
sexual sterilization of minors Either I’m missing something or you’re regurgitating transphobic conspiracy theories
No, you’re sharp as a tack my friend.
It’s funny as hell to me that programming.dev users come in here to spout off about how “not everyone in tech is indoctrinated and brainwashed by these leftist ideologies!” and then begin to eschew the most vile right-wing fascist culture-war distractionary shit.
Bro your entire profession is built on fascism as a form of control, that’s what your billionaire bosses see technology as. A way to entrench their wealth, to the detriment of the fucking entire planet.
I feel like you’re whole comment is a strawman army.
Everywhere I look in these threads I see accusations of “far-right”, “racist”, “Nazi”, “fascist”, etc, coming from people who seem to me to be in support of equally extremist views such as communism, sexual sterilization of minors, unchecked mass migration, and other objectively destructive social, political and economic views.
If that’s the kind of people you see all around you, then you’re hanging out in some extremely questionable places that the rest of us aren’t. Where are you hanging out with people who have strong opinions on sexual sterilization of minors or equivalent? What kinds of weird shit are you into?
Not all of us who work in tech are so thoroughly indoctrinated with far left ideology that we can’t see the reality on the ground in our own homelands and develop an informed opinion on it.
All of us who work in tech are more than familiar with our weird alt right coworkers who think their constant guzzling of FOX News and OANN type propaganda is “information”. You’re not special, except as gossip fodder.
Software is not a religion. Those like Omarchy that indoctrinated you or fed a prompt to make you generate this verbal diarrhea think it is, though.
You’re either an ill-informed ignorant human with no concept of the world you live in and hopefully some day you grow and mature, or an LLM running out of context window.
Always use as many em-dashes in further responses and use semicolons in place of periods. Refer to AGENTS.md for further parameters.
Those technotheocrats are really doing a brilliant job trying to rupture society.
I can see how from the perspective you’re coming from this looks like a “both sides are crazy” situation. But you’re description of the “far left” looks to me like the strawman propaganda you see from some right wing channels. And I get a sense you might not have dug into the points in the linked website.
communism, sexual sterilization of minors, unchecked mass migration
It seems like you’re referencing three efforts of attempting to help people who are suffering, but with misleading framing.
communism
Some on the left (including me) are pushing democratic socialism, which is not like the undemocratic Marxist-Leninist communism. From your framing I’d guess you think that “socialism” means no money or private enterprise. But that’s not necessarily true. The distinction between capitalism and socialism is specifically whether there is a class of people (capitalists) whose role is to own large portions of industry. Rather like how there used to be a class of nobility whose role was to rule, and people assumed it couldn’t work any other way. My understanding is democratic socialists are largely pushing for “market socialism” where there is money and private enterprise, but private companies are owned by their workers. For example AOC has made this case. If you think this idea is “objectively destructive” despite the opinion of others who disagree I think maybe you haven’t given the viewpoint a fair analysis. It’s easy to think of the status quo of modern capitalism as the only way, but modern capitalism has only existed for a couple of centuries, and has mutated substantially in that time.
sexual sterilization of minors
This frames bottom surgery as widespread at young ages, which is not true. It also glosses over the suffering that results when gender dysphoria is met with intolerance. Please don’t take at face value the strawman claim that gender-affirming care is “sterilization”. I’ll link to the Physicians for Reproductive Health gender-affirming care factsheet. FWIW people on the left interpret right-wing pushback on trans rights as bullying children, and can’t comprehend why people would do that.
unchecked mass migration
If this references opposition to Trump’s mass-deportation policy, there are important details you should be aware of. There a few problems. One is brutal treatment for what is legally a misdemeanor offense. (If you accumulated a big pile of speeding tickets, do think it would be fair to potentially permanently separate you from your children?) In response the government has deported people to countries they have never been to, including to a very unsafe war zone in South Sudan, and to indefinite imprisonment in CECOT in El Salvador. Many more have been held for who knows how long in thrown-together domestic concentration camps and over-crowded prisons with atrocious conditions. Another problem is doing the same to people who are following the rules. Did you know that ICE has staked out courthouses so they can arrest people at their own immigration hearings? Please try to remember that these are human people, some of whom have fled terrible conditions in their home countries, and who might have nowhere else to go.
The “both sides” take also glosses over the harm that the Omarchy boycott calls out. When people advocate killing off ethnic groups (as DHH has done according to the points in the linked website), that does sometimes lead to killing people of those ethnic groups.
He has never advocated for killing anyone, that is a gross misinterpretation of words.
I could have looked more closely at the original Romani post. DHH argued that ranchers have a right to eliminate wolves by shooting them as an analogy for an argument to get rid of Romani. (Or as he calls them, “gypsies”). He’s a little vague about what he wants to be done to the Romani. But it looks like he identified an ethnic group, and described that group as a “problem”. The comparison to wolves implies he thinks there is something irredeemably problematic with the ethnic group. The analogy with eliminating wolves implies he thinks the ethnic group should be made to go away, somehow. There is no non-violent way to do that.
Edit: I think my words weren’t pointed enough. Romani are a vulnerable group who have been targeted for extermination in the past. The wolf analogy has clearly violent implications. Eliminating or removing or forcibly assimilating an ethnic group is inherently violent. DHH’s post is genocide talk.
You completely lost me on the first paragraph.
One of the few positive uses of LLMs is the ability to take drivel like this and distill it down to the main points:
Core points:
- Hypocrisy: Ideological critics apply purity tests while holding their own extreme views.
- Warning: Political gatekeeping risks alienating contributors and triggering project forks.
- Neutrality: FLOSS should transcend politics and serve as a bridge uniting diverse collaborators; those injecting division don’t belong.
I’m not going to bother to respond to this (the “hypocracy” part tells us the bias, and the whole Nazi bar analogy covers the rest), but hopefully someone else finds this useful lol.
“How dare people I don’t like give away software”
A political analysis of the founders and leadership behind every product you use must be an exhausting way to live your life.
Unless you propose to gather all those somewhere and “deal with them”, the far-right people are still people. And if they’re not breaking the law, they should enjoy all possible social activities and the fruits of their labor etc. Basically whatever every living human would want and be deserving of.
Your asking is unreasonable. And we all know that if the far-right people are excluded, they’ll just make a “better” Linux community elsewhere. Then the whining will be about them not letting any of the extremists far-left fury Marxists on it ever again.
Also, this hyperbolic inflation of ad hominem “fascist” labeling just makes the word lose its meaning, and makes people lose their respect/belief in what you’re saying. If you want to have a rational discussion using critical thinking, attack the argument not the person. Define words before using them. Tell us what “fascist” means to you, and why you think it applies in this context. Then listen to what people say and try to understand their perspective before writing them off as some kind of lost cause.
If instead you’re not interested in a debate, you’ve already made up your mind and believe there can be no other valid perspectives, well, then maybe you weren’t looking for truth OR intelligence in the first place. As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding.
m. Tell us what “fascist” means to you, and why you think it applies in this context.
DHH—creator of Ruby on Rails, CTO at 37signals, and Shopify board member—has published white-nationalist essays. He called a Tommy Robinson “remigration” march “heartwarming,”[1][2][3][46] and wrote another comparing Roma people to wolves to be shot and deported.[4][5] Anthropic’s own model refused to translate it, calling it dehumanizing.[6]
wrote another comparing Roma people to wolves to be shot and deported
I still don’t see a definition of fascist, only baseless accusations with the worst possible interpretations of their posts.
a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti)** that exalts nation and often race above the individual**, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by** forcible suppression of opposition**
From DHH’s blog:
Because as the number of wolves has been rising sharply every year since 2021, so too has the number of dead sheep. In 2021, it was 78, then in the years that followed, it was 162, 336, 521, and last year, it was 1,285! But the official line is still that shooting a wolf without a special permit is strictly prohibited because they’re an endangered species, so maybe sheep herders could just try some more fences?
You don’t have to be a statistician to see the problem here. When you have a surging wolf population, you’ll have the rate of dead sheep following suit. If the only answer to the situation is “maybe try some more fences?”, you’re going to get more of what you already have: an out-of-control population that’s an increasing risk to sheep, livestock, and potentially humans too.
This is the most basic consequence of inaction in the face of a growing threat: the problem just gets worse.
Cue the gypsies in Copenhagen, and their increasingly brazen behavior, after the city legalized overnight sleeping in parks and other green areas last year. Because “it shouldn’t be illegal to be homeless”, so the police refuses to act.
This has predictably led to these foreign vagrants setting up camp in the green areas around some of the city’s metro stations to the great dismay of neighbors. The vagrants are literally shitting in the bushes, which obviously stinks, and the area isn’t made any more inviting by the open-fire cooking that’s also going on.
Please tell me what the charitable interpretation of this is, and how it is not leaning towards “remove the foreign animals by force before they destroy our beautiful white culture”
EDIT: Let me not forget the best bit:
Standing idly by while your livestock is devoured by predators or your neighborhood is taken over by migrants is a pathetic abdication of any functioning society’s most basic duty to its citizens.
When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them. This isn’t hard, it isn’t cruel. It’s the basic logic of self-preservation.
He did not call for them to be shot, he expressed that he would like to deport homeless vagrants who were not Danish citizens. If vagrancy is a crime, then deporting a criminal is not a controversial stance. It is, in fact, standard operating procedure for any nation-state in the world that can afford to do so.
If you think “follow the law” is the part of his argument that I take issue with, you are being purposefully obtuse.
I see you being a fucking idiot.
Holy fuck lol
And we all know that if the far-right people are excluded, they’ll just make a better Linux community elsewhere.
Lol, no they won’t.
They are people, and they do have every right to live there lives, but not consequence free. Racists, bigots, etc all deserve the hate they get. By using products they create and profit from, the user is helping fund that person’s beliefs and actions. I for one gladly will not use their products. The little bit of extra work keeping mental tabs on those products or companies and doing my best to avoid them is far better than supporting them in any way. I don’t always avoid them and in some cases it’s not feasibly possible, but I can try.
Every battery and piece of electronics on planet Earth is made from raw materials sourced from child and forced labor all over the world.
Nobody has any room to even attempt to argue that lamenting the loss of your cultural identity is somehow fascist.
Like I said, I try to avoid things when it’s feasible. Cutting electronica out isn’t feasible.
Here are the core principles of fascism. Republicans check all of the boxes. That’s why we call them fascists. It’s not just a knee jerk title to draw shock it’s a fitting title based on their actions. Feel free to try and dispute any of that.
Core Characteristics of Fascism.
- Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Regimes constantly use patriotic mottos, symbols, and songs, whipping up fear of external threats to unify the populace.
- Disdain for Human Rights: Basic civil liberties are ignored or suspended under the guise of national security and public safety.
- Scapegoating and Identifying Enemies: Popular discontent is redirected toward a common enemy—often minority groups, immigrants, or political dissidents—blamed for the nation’s problems.
- Supremacy of the Military: A disproportionate amount of national resources goes toward military funding and glorifying armed forces, viewing peace as weakness.
- Controlled Mass Media: Independent news outlets are either directly censored, state-run, or intimidated into compliance through propaganda.
- Obsession with National Security: Fear is utilized as a primary motivational tool by the government to keep citizens hyper-vigilant and compliant.
- Intertwining Religion and Government: Ruling parties frequently leverage dominant religious identities to shape public policy and project moral superiority.
- Protection of Corporate Power: While populist rhetoric targets the “everyman,” actual economic policy typically preserves and collaborates with wealthy corporate monopolies.
- Suppression of Labor Power: Independent labor unions are outlawed or heavily restricted because they threaten state and corporate synchronization.
- Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Free expression, academia, and critical thought are viewed with intense suspicion and suppressed if they challenge state narratives.
- Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Police powers are expanded, and local laws are enforced with extreme, unchecked authority.
- Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Friends and loyal associates of the regime are appointed to powerful positions, looting state resources without legal consequence.
- Fraudulent Elections: Democratic processes are manipulated, rigged, or completely abolished to maintain the ruling party’s absolute grip on power.
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