Ugh. If this makes my Linux systems less stable, I don’t even know what the fuck I’m going to do. I won’t go back to Windows, I’m not buying Macs (which have their own software problems anyway), and my hardware probably won’t work with any BSD variant.
What Linus is saying that LLM review is finding decades old esoteric bugs in the kernel code, like dirtyfrag. And the amount of bugfixes and mitigations are pushing the update sizes up. This is making the kernel more secure and stable in the long run. It will be just a rocky couple of years.
No, in this case the AI is finding the bugs and humans are at least reviewing the code and, anecdotally at least, in a lot of cases still writing it in the first place.
The same way Windows is “fixing bugs” with AI? Large volumes of dubiously tested code is never a good idea
I think the point is the bugs are being FOUND with AI. Not fixed with AI.
It’s basically the same concept as open source in general. IE the average layman hears open source and they think “oh so every moron, malicious person etc… can add his own back doors into the code”, of course not, the official version is gated and reviewed. What’s happening is AI is basically serving as millions of idiots looking through the code for security flaws, and it’s finding them. Which then means the humans fixing it need to go into overdrive to fix them before they become zero days.
It was a whole thing back and forth that Linus finally ruled on. It’s supposed to be under the purview of a specific human ultimately but as we’ve seen with countless other projects people get lazy fast with LLMs and testing and review does slip. I trust Linux overall to be better than many other projects yes, but to state AI is not doing development too when it’s very much allowed and discussed is blind to what’s been happening in the project.
You should read the article. Linus simply said that LLMs have been useful for finding more bugs, which has led to larger patches (because each patch contains more fixes). They aren’t vibe coding the kernel.
Ugh. If this makes my Linux systems less stable, I don’t even know what the fuck I’m going to do. I won’t go back to Windows, I’m not buying Macs (which have their own software problems anyway), and my hardware probably won’t work with any BSD variant.
What Linus is saying that LLM review is finding decades old esoteric bugs in the kernel code, like dirtyfrag. And the amount of bugfixes and mitigations are pushing the update sizes up. This is making the kernel more secure and stable in the long run. It will be just a rocky couple of years.
they are NOT vibe coding the kernel.
This comment should have been the post.
Ironically those are all bug fixes.
The same way Windows is “fixing bugs” with AI? Large volumes of dubiously tested code is never a good idea
Linus’s post only says the bug were found using an AI tool, not fixed using AI.
No, in this case the AI is finding the bugs and humans are at least reviewing the code and, anecdotally at least, in a lot of cases still writing it in the first place.
Linus is not a fool
I think the point is the bugs are being FOUND with AI. Not fixed with AI.
It’s basically the same concept as open source in general. IE the average layman hears open source and they think “oh so every moron, malicious person etc… can add his own back doors into the code”, of course not, the official version is gated and reviewed. What’s happening is AI is basically serving as millions of idiots looking through the code for security flaws, and it’s finding them. Which then means the humans fixing it need to go into overdrive to fix them before they become zero days.
They’re absolutely being “fixed” with AI too.
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/process/coding-assistants.rst
It was a whole thing back and forth that Linus finally ruled on. It’s supposed to be under the purview of a specific human ultimately but as we’ve seen with countless other projects people get lazy fast with LLMs and testing and review does slip. I trust Linux overall to be better than many other projects yes, but to state AI is not doing development too when it’s very much allowed and discussed is blind to what’s been happening in the project.
You will just have to stay on the lts/stable release
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You should read the article. Linus simply said that LLMs have been useful for finding more bugs, which has led to larger patches (because each patch contains more fixes). They aren’t vibe coding the kernel.
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