There are goods and services as things being produced. The items they sell may not be produced by them but the value they produce is services. It’s not just goods that are produced. And I also know small business which produce some items where owner/owners work on their own without any other workers. And you are basically saying fuck off to the people doing labor and also own production.
Sure block me but i’m not posting this expecting to change your mind, but for others reading this
^ Person saying workers should own means of production when they actually own means of production
For the love of god see people around you
There are a lot of shops here wifh literally the owner working(and in some cases their family also do work there).
And don’t judge people with only this much info. You are attributing personality disorders to people you don’t even know
A lot of people go into business because they are literally unemployable.
Man, then who are supposed to employ them? Id you are employed, then it must be some business, except for government jobs(which only take a handful of people)
Small businesses, at least in my area have the owners themselves work. So yeah means of production are owned by workers.
I never said anything about them hiring employees. I did state the worker itself owning the business. The OP then went forward to saying the products they sell are made from some other corporation that hired employees which i don’t see is relevant.
I did not say anytjing against socialism or communism, but just saying that there are business fully owned by the worker themselves. And they do that for their living. Without society as a whole changing from capitalism, how do you expect people to live? Get a job? Under another exploitative corporation? Or build your own business in which you yourself work?
But sure, overthrow the system if you can. But till then, It’s far better to support small business owned by the workers itself