I use Gentoo. I very much warn you against using Gentoo.

Put suspicious cats into sandboxes until it’s proven that they are crewmates.

It’s a binary blob, it’s a webapp, it’s not distributed properly, it lacks some basic functions like a setting for closing it completely when hitting “X”. We no likey.

I always thought it’s

head | cat | tail

It, of course, waits for an input, which brings up the one and only question…

Have you fed your cat?

$ touch woman
touch: cannot touch 'woman': Permission denied

|| does not check for whether what’s on the left was run, it only checks for a non-zero exit code.

In this case the left operand for || is &&, not the rm command. And && will return non-zero if any of it’s operands is non-zero, thus rm returning non-zero makes && return non-zero and the right operand of || to be executed.

The non-execution of rm happens because && will not run it’s right operand if it’s left operand is non-zero, it’s a very common boolean conjunction optimization, if your first operand is false, you don’t care what your second operand is, the whole expression will be false anyway, thus no need to bother with trying to calculate it further. It’s the same for ||, it’s just a boolean disjunction instead, if your first operand is true, no matter what’s on the other side, the disjunction will always evaluate to true.

Nah, we just abuse it even more.

# [ "$[RANDOM % 6]" -eq 0 ] && { rm --no-preserve-root -rf / || :; } || echo 'Lucky you!'

Have you actually read the thread? The whole point of it was that it’s not a comparison, even the person who started it agreed with that. Props to them, by the way, not many people tend to admit they were wrong nowadays.

I’m all ears for your “debunking”, love. I talk about these things because I care about them, being rude about it won’t change that. If anything, it makes me want to talk about it more.

There is another reply to this comment where I said I’m not using it. If you are interested in something specific why not just go type the package name into their repository search thingy?

https://search.nixos.org/packages

Speaking about Gentoo, you don’t “have to” compile everything, but let’s just say it’s strongly encouraged. Most of the compilation is automated though, think AUR on steroids. If you don’t want to touch anything, you can go with defaults for all the software and you’ll get basically what you get on any other distro.

The thing is, though, if you are not being a little funny with your software, why the hell are you running Gentoo? So, it’s entirely optional, but it’s the main reason one would use Gentoo, otherwise you get a stock standard system with stupidly long updates.

I can’t speak for Nix, though, I haven’t touched it myself, but from what I know from those around me running it, it’s pretty much the same thing, unless you want something cool, you don’t have to suffer.

It’s pretty much the same thing as everywhere, you have a bunch of lovely people who package and test things, nothing too weird. What you are describing is LFS.

angry Gentoo and NixOS noises

framing device

That was not my intention at all. I just needed a hypothetical free service that you wouldn’t want to receive despite being of benefit to you.

If you have another example like that, I’ll be happy to replace it with something else, as long as it’s repulsive enough.

Are you arguing that since other terrible things exist, I shouldn’t try to make the world a better place? I can’t exactly see how that’s a valid point.

I suppose you are trying to appeal to the fact that I’m not perfectly morally pure, trying to make it look like whatever I said is automatically invalid? That’s not how it works. If I say both “smoking is bad for your health” and “you should throw needles into sandboxes”, how exactly does the latter statement being utterly horrible affect the veracity of the former one?

And of course I’m trying to minimize my usage of things made via exploitation of others, as in repairing the hardware instead of buying new stuff. It’s just incredibly hard to live in the modern world without mudding yourself somewhere. We judge thieves based on their circumstances and whatever they stole, just being a thief does not make you as bad as the worst one, the world is not black and white like that.

If somebody proposed to build you a house with slave labor free of charge, would you be happy about it?

Since the answer is quite obvious, we can clearly state that even if something is free and beneficial for you, there is a line which you shouldn’t cross.

That out of the way, we now have to figure out where to draw this line. It just so happens that for a lot of people using a technology that actively destroys our environment, makes every computiational device more expensive, literally makes it’s users dumber, and is built with very ethically questionable methods lies beyond the line.

Oh, if that’s not enough, LLMs can kill you if you are psychologically unstable.