Here’s a small case of them supporting NATO attacks on civilian vessels:
https://lemmy.ml/post/52245275

Here’s a thread where a lot of them speak in support of NATO:
https://lemmy.ml/post/52292799

when the shitty government started the brutal invasion to Ukraine

What should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world starts amassing troops and weapons on its border, especially after conducting a coup against a neighbouring state?

Well, NATO self-admittedly pushed for the war, so that’s whom you should be directing your ire against.

I envy you if you have seriously never seen liberals say that both NATO and welfare are good.

Unable to dedicate enough time to dissect particular examples, but, for example, places like lemmy.world are full of liberals who will tell you that NATO should keep going and maintain colonial subjugation of the Global South, but to provide its own people with better welfare.

I will be able to provide more examples later if that’s not enough.

You hear a lot of NATO liberals saying that the plunder from Africa, Asia, and elsewhere should go to welfare. This even happens on these sites.

You have to be living under a rock to not hear liberals day exactly that.

Currently don’t have time to address the entire reply (will do that later), but I do want to address one claim that you made:

I don’t think deporting citizens like that is one of the things you can truthfully say the Biden admin did.

Biden’s term, and each of Obama’s terms saw greater numbers of deportations that Trump’s first term.

At the very least, articles like these that provide such statistics are easily searchable:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/22/us/trump-biden-immigrants-deportations.html

So, it is rather silly that you keep insisting that Trump is somehow different/worse in this regard.

So, you weren’t the one who said this?

Different doesn’t mean Biden was good, just that he was so much better than the alternative. … Deport citizens arrested by ICE to third-world countries with no trial and refuse to bring them back?

Even for the examples I gave where you can say yes, technically the Biden admin did this too

Again, if your prior list, where you say that Buden (and Obama) didn’t use ICE and didn’t bomb other countries (technically, you were only concerned with ships for some reason) and the like, was not what you meant, you are free to actually mention things that you think are substantial differences between Trump and the preceding genocidaires in chief.

Sorry, I’m not interested in conversing with someone who can’t read what I’ve already said.

What you said was that ICE wasn’t a thing under Biden and Obama.

…or someone who doesn’t have any idea what’s happening outside.

When you were listing differences between Trump and the preceeding blue fascists, the things that you listed were also features under said blue administrations.

The fact is that the only thing that is significantly different in this case is decorum, the lack of which you abhor more than literal genocides.

I just don’t understand how you can be informed about politics and not understand the enormous gulf between the two primary options.

Being informed about politics leads one to understand that there is no such gulf.

Like, you literally thought that ICE appeared less than two years ago, that Biden didn’t take part in any invasions, that Biden didn’t openly abuse power to shield his family from the laws he himself pushed through decades ago, and so on.

the difference in scale is staggering.

It’s not. The difference is just decorum and lack thereof.

You are just making up a narrative now that suits your story while I spin actual fact.

Okay, what isn’t a fact?
Did the Biden-Harris administration take deliberate action to support the genocide? Yes, including such things as the war crime pier, and the bombing of Yemen.
Did you claim that the Biden-Harris administration didn’t take part in escalating the genocide? Also yes. You even claimed that things like the invasion of Yemen that that government engaged in didn’t happen.

Dems theoretically crush the same about of children than Republicans. How is that remotely true?

If you are sincerely asking this question, you haven’t actually studied NATO’s history.
You are effectively claiming that Pissrael didn’t exist until 2025, that invasions of Libya, Syria, Yemen didn’t happen, that the blue governments didn’t take part in things like the invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

I would suggest you look up child deaths due to USAID cuts.

You mean the thing that is used to invade other countries like Iran?

It is 33X per year what the current total Palestinian total child death count

And the source is what, exactly? And does that source account for the child deaths caused by the activities of USAID?

You are completely changing definition of going to war.

Ah, so you are ready to admit that you have been conducting a genocide, rather than a “mere” war.

“Ramped up” is not going to war. One went to war, one did not.

The Biden-Harris administration literally did the war crime pier.
Also, that same government went to war with Yemen over this (and showed the world why you don’t have healthcare), and prepared for war with Iran.

Kamala was a bad candidate, but only one person was stupid enough to start a new war.

As well as the rest of that government, as they were preparing for just that.

Y’all are exactly why MAGA will stay in power

We, or the people like you who defend these policies and argue that you should have the same people in power, just painted blue?

and Israel will continue to do whatever they want with the Palestinians.

Oh? Care to tell us how you voting in Biden-Harris stopped the genocide? Ah, right, all they did was exacerbate it.

What are you talking about? What war?

??? You yourself called the genocide a “war”.
Here are your own words:

Literally everyone who didn’t want to go to war for Benjamin Netanyahu

Biden-Harris administration was very willing to go to that ‘war’ (i.e. the genocide). Last I checked, they were not Trump.

Also, why single out Netanyahu? Do you think that the genocide started with him, or that other parts of the Pissraeli government somehow don’t support the genocide?

Because no one could possibly be as poor a candidate as Kamala.

Which dems have sufficiently different positions on foreign affairs?

70% of Democrats want to stop funding Israel. Trump fights Benjamin Netanyahu’s wars for him. But they are exactly the same.

USian dems have always been zionist, and they were no less enthusiastic about this than the current USian administration.
What are these mythical dems that supposedly want to stop applying Pissrael?

“Ignoring Russia” is when you (the most prolific invader in the world) declare your intent to antagonise Russia, do a coup against a neighbouring neutral state, and attempt to get your military to its border.

The fact that you seriously think that people were not paid in the USSR is extremely silly.

The labels should be swapped.
It is overwhelmingly the western 12 year-olds that complain about praise for communism/communist revolutions.

Also, let’s not pretend as if Eastern Europeans were oppressed by the Warsaw Pact, unlike how NATO treats the vast majority of the world.

NATO had been pushing for war with Russia for a while. It finally got it.

So yeah, either of the recent blue governments can be said to have started the war.

In my entire lifetime, only republicans have started wars

Are you less than two years old? Did you already forget that the most recent blue government invaded Yemen and prepared to invade Iran?