All this does is make people’s data more valuable, and create a valuable repository of people’s personal information.

This happens regardless, there’s no way around the security problem of needing to verify someone’s identify. On a National level, on a State level, on a Country level. We have to, as a society, verify someones identity for security purposes - there’s no getting around that. Decentralization doesn’t solve the security problem here.

Both by governments looking for dissenters

They can already do this.

by advertisers, who will use that data to squeeze every last cent out of you via Surveillance pricing.

This is a separate issue, and they’re already doing this. We already know, as a lemmy users, we need better laws for data protection and tech in general (online and physical).

What do you think will happen when the nations collective web browsing information inevitably gets leaked and anyone can look up anyone’s name, see their license and what they’ve watched on YouTube or elsewhere? It’s creepy tech, not protection.

This is a separate issue, and they’re already doing this. Everything you purchase is available online through data brokers. People are connected to a lot of stuff, and all that data is amassed through brokers. What do you think predictive models were made for?

The solution to these ‘social problems’ is funding education.

You’re 100% right, but Education is a long-term solution already facing an uphill battle. If we were more progressive as a society, then we would have insulated our National Security 10+ years ago, but we’re not, and technology moves fast.

But that doesn’t work quickly, costs money, and various groups of people in power oppose widespread critical thinking. Making sure people aren’t exhausted because they can’t afford anything and are always working would help too, but it’s not ‘sexy’ to uplift people’s standard of living I guess

No rebuttals on the rest, 100% correct.

The number of uneducated, the absolutely absurd amount of data that is already available, and the growing predictive model tech are all reasons why each Nation needs to figure out their tech security, some way, some how - the sooner the better. OS level security is one of the better options. National Firewall, like China, would be the next best bet.

Did they or is that just my collective opinion after growing up with the internet and seeing what it’s turned into?

Do you not think botnets exist or do you not think those botnets pose as citizens?

Maybe you don’t think that the online narratives from social media (Reddit, Facebook, X, Mastadoon, whatever) are driven by botnets boosting signals? Maybe you think online discussion happens organically?

Do you think the average person can distinguish between an AI image and a real image? Photoshop? Do you think the average person would realize that they’re discussing a topic with an LLM? How about a foreign agent?

I don’t know, maybe you don’t think that governments are using this against one-another’s citizens to shake up democracy and promote distrust in their institutions?

I think that both (ours and rival) governments and wealthy individuals (or cabals) use online discourse to drive narratives and through that action (or inaction). I think that by doing nothing we leave the majority of the uneducated at the mercy of those devices. Adding another layer of security makes sense to filter these out.

Personally, I’d much rather have a National Firewall so that there’s the Nations Intranet and then the World Wide Web Internet, but if we have to have something and nobody is fighting for anything better, nobody is finding solutions to these social problems we’ve created, then this’ll have to do. At least a Firewall can be gotten around if you know how - it’s mostly for the general populace. Incoming traffic could be marked and monitored separately.

This isn’t just an issue that’s affecting the U.S. - every Nation has to find a solution to this problem. We either have to combat it with better, alternative solutions, or we have to accept it as a solution to an evergrowing problem.

Nobody has better solutions to fight against botnets and targeted misinformation. Like, these are big deals that every Nation needs account for some way some how. A non-anonymous internet for the masses, and anonymous internet for those who know how to get around it should be the standard.

To boil it down further - this is a individual vs collectivism. YOU want privacy and anonymity because, being on lemmy, you have a higher chance of being more technically literate and inclined. The vast majority are not so inclined and are at a disadvantage.