Mathium05

Should wine ban it though, it just encourages people to lie 3:

Copyleft is a form of copyright, if you’re against copyright that’s MIT/BSD 0 clause. Also languages aren’t typically copyrighted, it’s works created within those languages. Although I do agree copyright is kinda very broken, but creators of code do deserve protections, as code is very expressive. I am also a FOSS dev who loves copyleft, which only functions under copyright.

What about prohibiting people from looking at the leaked windows source code? It just encourages people to lie about it.

“wah, they dead in the water if they ban the slop theft machine!”

Code is rather expressive, it’s copyright-able for good reason, you can often tell who wrote what via the style and the way the code was written, and the methods used.

"But making commercial use of vast troves of copyrighted works to produce expressive content that competes with them in existing markets, especially where this is accomplished through illegal access, goes beyond established fair use boundaries. "

• https://www.copyright.gov/ai/Copyright-and-Artificial-Intelligence-Part-3-Generative-AI-Training-Report-Pre-Publication-Version.pdf

The US copyright office wrote up a pretty large paper pointing out it’s piracy.

Violation of copyright/piracy :P Among many many many other crimes. I’ll take the word of the US copyright office who says that it is not fair use over your word.

We are not a court of law. We can see crimes happening and call them crimes. If you think that ignoring evidence is fine, that’s up to you. I personally like to look at the evidence and make conclusions, like these crimes AI companies are doing, are crimes. Did the AI companies think about for 30 seconds about how doing crimes looks like doing crimes?

So in order to counter my point, you make a false equivalence. Cool. Try again.

you need schooling, this is like people who shout that others are breaking the first amendment not thinking that it only applies to the government. Courts determine if it’s a crime to a certain degree of certainty for the government, we are not the government. We are people who can use our eyes to see that people break the laws and have not been sued yet. it’s not magically not a crime if they aren’t sued over it.

Do we need to have a court case to say that all of the criminals in the files are criminals? of course not. We can see their actions, and the laws and say that they committed many many crimes.

Same way we always do? look at what happened, and see that a crime happened

That is a very stupid argument. everything can be represented as a group of numbers.

What is “the tool”, GenAI or ML. If you mean GenAI, then, no, GenAI is the problem

What court case did I bring up?

They are crimes, they stole their data, and the ones people can run locally still are a part of those crime rings. Plus the ones that can run locally aren’t very good, not that the larger ones are too great either

No, that would be bad, but not misaligned necessarily. That’s a different issue really. Like lets say you use ML to make an AI to play a video game and the goal is always on the right side, but after you’re done training, it’s on the left now, the AI might have not learned go the goal, but go to the right.

banning it? Like make a law, and make it a crime, or make a new law that clarifies that it’s already breaking a tonne of laws

yes