• Trump Rapes Kids@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    Of course it is. Every company’s AI is trained on every bit of data they can possibly access. All the laws against it and privacy options and toggles are meaningless. They only exist to make you feel like you have some control and a way to say no.

    There is no such thing as a magic cloud, only computers that rich people own. Anything you put on them they will use for whatever they want.

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      And this story is not an example of this happening, for the simple reason that model training takes longer than 24 hours and there were no new Gemini model releases between the doc was written and the chat happening.

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        Didn’t even notice that part. Training is definitely the wrong word to use. Checked out the Reddit thread and the screenshot of the conversation where it came up and it seems like total bullshit.

        The person talking sends an image showing the character name at 2:44am and then between the two of them there are 8 more lines in that same minute, including the dev saying that the descriptions are bullshit. So we’re supposed to think dude read several paragraphs of text and then him and his buddy sent those 7 other messages back and forth all within the same minute the image arrived?

        I’m a big reader and type quickly, but that’s not at all realistic. After all of that in one minute, only one more single minute passes before the dev sends a cropped screenshot showing that same name and saying it was the only place he’d ever typed it. So he got in to Google Docs and got the right document open to the right place then snapped and pasted the image in one minute.

        And… the “proof” image that starts everything and is supposedly from a conversation with an AI doesn’t show the interface at all. All we see is bulleted lists. That could be word, or it could be another screenshot from Google Docs. Nothing in any of it shows any AI interface saying anything.

        Seems like a weak attempt at getting publicity for his game, which of course he links to the sales page for.

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          Nice, I didn’t even notice the timing discrepancies. Google is obviously stealing all data it can to train AI, but in this instance it seems the developer is just making stuff up to market his game.

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    Come on, you can safely assume that anything and everything you pass to or through google is used to train AI. This isn’t even news

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    Just as I have proof that Android phones are listening and sending our conversations constantly, I’m willing to bet that Google is scraping all our Google docs, files in drive, and Gmail emails.

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      What proof lol.

      Google already had all the docs, they never said it was encrypted, as they also scan all the emails for “spam detection”. It would have been more surprising if they didn’t use it for training

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          19 days ago

          Could you elaborate on that? Because it was refuted countless times that current technology can’t do that, and I want to be up to date on the latest unhinged conspiracy theories.

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            “They are always listening” isn’t exactly unhinged. Infact it’s a bit unhinged to think they can’t listen through current technology when that shit literally listens to people talking in the vicinity.

            "The majority of the commands we issue to smart speakers are innocuous, perhaps asking to play a particular radio station or set an alarm. But whistleblowers have expressed concern that devices are waking up randomly and processing accidental recordings that should never have been made.

            These are known as “false accepts” and data collected by one Google whistleblower shows that about 15 per cent of recordings occur by accident. This error rate indicates that smart speakers – essentially microphones in our homes – may not be as benign as we’ve been led to believe. “These technologies live in your home, they become part of your daily fabric,” says Schaub. “When you phone a call centre, you typically get a message explaining that the call may be recorded for training purposes, but that explicit acknowledgment is missing from smart speakers.”

            https://www.thenationalnews.com/arts/are-big-tech-companies-actually-listening-in-on-us-via-our-phones-or-smart-speakers-1.898574

            This is one source. 15% is too high even for accidental activations.

            Edit: Found the most relevant article. I heard about this one maybe 6 months ago:

            https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-report-claims-your-phone-tv-and-smart-speaker-are-spying-on-you-but-is-it-true/

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              Yes, I know about this, but bugs in wake word detection is not “listening and sending our conversations constantly”.

              And on device STT capabilities will get better with each new generation of TPUs, so we are not far from ditching wake word detection as a technology, and phones will be able to do type everything they hear. But currently we are not there yet.

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                The tech is there for certain. That part is super easy. It would just be putting the software in place. Also, it would be far more covert and energy efficient to simply record the radio onto the phone itself and then send it as a file every so often. Only recording\saving when voice is being picked up could be done in as little as 30MB a day.