what internship are you doing?
Stage 4: “I’m done. This isn’t worth it and I don’t actually NEED any of it! rm -rf / it all and wander silently off into the woods. Curl up on a mound of moss and watch all the things that bumble.”
Stage 5 - you live in the woods and talk to a rock
The thing that I hate about self-hosting is that a lot of apps that could just be a plain offline thing are instead being designed to be super bloated server-docker things. Databases are not reasonably portable data formats.
An sqlite database is a perfectly fine portable data format.
Or, and apparently this is crazy these days - I can just use a file that’s in a format appropriate to what I’m trying to do, compatible with the simpler offline app it was made for, and then just use a more general purpose syncing method whether online or sneakernet if I need to do some kind of data transfer - as opposed to accumulating an ever expanding collection of server stacks that are just redundantly doing the same kind of thing anyway while needlessly adding an insane amount of attack surface.
SQLite allows for more efficient querying of data than doing it by hand, can enforce constraints on the data, and I can query it from my shell.
Of course it’s not going to replace a commonly-used format for a domain. If no such format exists, it’s a perfectly acceptable data format for data that’s tabular in nature. And it can by sync’d/backed up the same as any other file.
Databases are not reasonably portable data formats.
I mean… if you stick to standard SQL…
2 and 3 are the same and you’re deluded if you think otherwise
The difference between 2nd and 3rd is about 24h
My nextcloud instance is on a managed hosting server and has been for the last 4 years. My homeassistant uses the standard raspberry pi image since I’ve had it for the last 3 months.
(And yes I have to constantly withstand the urge to fully self-host my Nextcloud and reinstall my Homeassistant with a Gentoo base.)
Stage 4 clustered servers so k8s can keep the containers up and configured
Stage 5 GitOps
Stage 6 federated clusters on your buddies infrastructure so each of you have off site high availability. Or hardware squirled away at families houses.
Stage 7 OpenStack running on all those clusters, giving a seamless single-cloud experience.
Honestly I prefer the kubevirt, kubeOVN route (ala Harvester).
OpenStack is a decades long labor of love that feels like it was started decades ago, you know?
“Wow these R730/R740 ear destroying rack servers are super cheap on ebay”
No lie, they’re awesome. I’ve got two R720s, and they really aren’t bad. I leave one off. The other runs 4-5 VMs and doesn’t spin loud at all. Lack rack, surplus drives, a refurbed UPS and it just goes.
Had an R710 in my bedroom for a few years, do not recommend
Me transition from stage 1 to stage 2, nervously.
Just wait till stage 4 - I’ve got a 12u server rack, separate 6u networking cabinet, 80+ containers running on multiple VMs managed by multiple Proxmox nodes and all my infrastructure is transitioning to OpenTofu and OpenBao so I can spin up new VMs, manage the containers with Komodo, etc and all managed with single sign on. I’ve got ~$12k sunk into my local AI server alone. I have like 2 active users besides myself…
I won’t lie. I’ve found myself peaking into corners of the house and thinking about where I’d install a proper rack. House just isn’t wired properly for it, though.
I had two separate 20 amp circuits ran into a closet and threw an exhaust fan to outside so I save on cooling costs. Where there’s a will there’s a way!
Fellow stage 4 self-hoster here. Time to start a support group.
Not to be rude but isn’t this just humble-bragging and a subset of Stage 3?
It’s a meme so… Sure? I’d say the jump is from commodity hardware and manual maintenance to enterprise hardware, infrastructure as code, and high availability. It’s a whole new level of pain in my opinion both in terms of mental fatigue and on my wallet
Fair enough. It feels like a difference in scale and not category, but I acknowledge that’s subjective.
Stage 4: code your own social network and run it on the ThinkPad under the stairs with a DB server in a wardrobe… Fight scrapers and spammers incessantly.
What scrapers and spammers? You’re the only user there.
4th is writing your own self hosted tools
Only 27 containers? That rookie numbers… You gotta pump those up!
I’m currently sitting at 131 containers across 3 Kubernetes nodes, all bare-metal though, no virtualization.
131 containers seems crazy to me. How many actual services does that translate to? Is it actually closer to 50 services running in parallel on three different nodes for redundancy?
There’s probably also a fair amount of repeated servers that aren’t redundant. Like postgres servers that are single purpose and multiple containers to provide it for an “actual” service.
I’ve been pretty happy in #2 for years.
I had my own Nextcloud and Home Assistant (on a raspberry pi) for years and they’re awesome, but I really don’t have a use case for specialized stuff like jellyfin or vaultwarden. I just slap my media and a keepass file on my Nextcloud and I’m happy!
I really don’t have a use case for specialized stuff like jellyfin or vaultwarden.
Idk about vaultwarden, but Jellyfin is just a media server. Sonarr/Prowler lets me queue up the shows I want to watch. Jellyfin plays them on the two big TVs and the kid’s pad I have in the house. It’s pretty straightfoward. Less tedious than fishing for torrents on the traditional basket of sites and manually queuing up the downloads. And I can watch the shows anywhere, rather than being anchored to a single machine.
But you still need video files on your server and manually source them form somewhere, right?
Right. It’s still a home server setup. Unless, I guess, you’ve got some kind of cloud service you can pipe the data in from. But then you’re regressing to #1.
Level 4 would be using some sort of off-grid decentralized networking instead of the internet?
Level 5, building a rocket pad in my backyard to start launching cube-sats.
i uhh yeah host abt 10 containers on an i7 laptop currently. in my small office (kids bedroom) closet. I do also have a 3tb storage available but its what I had … an external wd drive. sigh. i am nbr 3 huh?
I’m in this meme and I don’t like it
ooo audiobookshelf don’t mind if I do