It’s a nice thought, but it depends on people disclosing that they used AI.
They’ve created a monetary incentive for people to hide their use of AI. Sure, they may catch the people who use commercial services which watermark their output but music generation can be done on relatively inexpensive (compared to frontier LLMs) hardware and there is no way to automatically detect it.
It’s a good thing that Tidal is doing, I’m just skeptical that it’ll do much except to make people more creative about hiding it.
IMO one of the worse aspects of slop in the system is that one person can produce so much of it. One person uploading a ton of music without tagging it as AI will probably throw some internal flag in the system for review, so at minimum there will either be less mass-posted slop or it’ll force people to upload from multiple accounts, which also has certain flags to look for.
From the original email I received from them, it sounded like they have an AI detection tool that would automatically apply the AI tag. They said they’re starting with tagging songs that are 100% generated but will expand that to any AI songs once they have the tech for it
AI detection tools are very hit or miss.
It’s like spam detection. Whatever they’re looking for with their tool, the spammers will change so that the tool doesn’t detect it. They will catch some people, but if there is money to be made then people will find ways to work around the detection.
Not for audio. At least for now you can see clearly artifacts in the spectrals when you inspect them. AI simply can’t recreate real compositions.
And just like spam detection, as the AI detection tools are looking for artifacts and glitches that are the result of the generation, the only way to get around them is to improve the output to be cleaner and more human-like.
The end result is either hitting the limit with generation and being able to block most of it, or surpassing the ability for content detection, making it essentially indistinguishable from real content. Which is either a great, or a really horrible result, depending on your stance on listening to AI music, i.e do you dislike it because it current sounds bad, or on principle because it wasn’t made by a human no matter how good it is.
Makes me pretty glad I switched to Tidal
Does streaming music off a proprietary platform owned by a rapist makes you glad?
And I assume you only stream from the finest non proprietary platform owned by a cooperative of saintly patrons? What platform do you use?
Personally, I stream my own media from an old PC at home using navidrome.
I also use tidal for music that I have not get bought. Not sure what that person is on about.
I’ve heard navidrome is good. I use plexamp right now but might eventually switch. For the normal user, however, that’s too complicated.
Some people just want to listen to music, not setup a self hosting stack.
Qobuz is worth a look - https://community.qobuz.com/ai-charter
I buy albums from here sometimes, I like them as well!
You are on lemmy, one of the finest non proprietary platform owned by a cooperative of saintly patrons.
You actually use this? I just looked into it and the idea seems interesting, but I’m not sure how they deal with copyright issues with sharing. Seems like it has an extremely small user base so maybe nobody has come after them yet?
I guess one could decide to only listen to free music that’s not shackled by copyright
go back on reddit if you don’t like this place
Eventually I will put the time and effort to move over to a self hosted system, but as of yet I haven’t.
Grand standing from your high horse helps no one, and makes those of us that agree with the position seem like jackasses from association, so please refrain.
How about just delete it?
Just depends on how and what you do with it. All this means is people will just hide their usage of AI. Used an LLM to come up with some lyrics? Just don’t disclose it. Sampled and mixed with AI, don’t disclose it. Hell all of the mastering tools now have AI jammed in there as well.
All the more reason to delete it and ban the person uploading them.
Is it just the normal continuation of:
DJ’s are not artists - Just perform it live - Computers are everywhere so it’s OK - …?
Between that, having high bit rate music, and last I recall being the music streaming platform that pays the actual artist the most, Tidal is making a strong case for being the best platform out there.
Love it!
Nice
They are preventing AI to earn few cents /s
Tidal pay artists more than most platforms, and over four times as much per stream as Spotify. That’s not to say it’s not still part of a broken system, but most other platforms are worse.
While that’s true, it’s a low bar. Ideally artists get some meaningful payments. There is also an issue how they count streams, do they count them correctly etc. From what I remember, it’s very shady.
I like AI music for certain things just having a bit of music helps me focus
You live in a world saturated with music. You never needed a generative AI to do that
A quick googleing says tidal has 110 million songs, spotify 100 million, apple music 100 million, youtube music 100 million… you get the idea there is functionally an unlimited ammount of human generated music. You will never finish any of these services’ catalogs. Don’t use slop.
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“AI artists” 😂
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Because no human did any work to create that slop. People deserve to be paid for their work and ai slop is just plagiarism to an industrial scale.
Yikes