• SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works
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    As with many things, its a mixed bag. Socialism was certainly better for many than the feudalism, but to say it was a free society is a stretch.

    Stalinism was a real thing. Its what you get from centralization of power in the political upper class. Same effect as under Mao.

    Its not those people that brought about that system, its that system that brings about those people. The same thing happens in capitalism, where capital concentrates power and appoints their puppets in government.

    Anything that concentrates power is a problem and ends up with things like the Ukrainian genocide and Gaza.

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      Ukrainian genocide

      If you mean the “Holodomor” all I can say is holocaust denial through double genocide theory is still holocaust denial.

      If you mean the current war then I don’t even have words for how out of touch with reality you must be.

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        I mean how the USSR inherited the imperialist practices of exploiting and oppressing the provinces to strengthen the centre.

        Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Siberia, Belarus. All suffered greatly so the Rus could have power.

        Its the same story as in the USA. Native Americans and imported slaves suffered so the elite can make their money.

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          The USSR abolished the imperial system of Tsarist Russia. The soviets then established protections for ethnic minorities, even giving more land to Ukraine in order to solidify their identity. The national question was taken incredibly seriously. It isn’t at all the same as the USA, which is a genocidal settler-colony that wiped out indigenous peoples and brought countless slaves over, and to make that comparison and equate them is to minimize the actual, real crimes of the US Empire.

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          This is a bunch of idiotic nonsense for one but more importantly does not address what I said at all.

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          Okay, I have a time machine and am willing to send you back to one of two places. Either you can be a peasant in 1930s Siberia, or you can be a Cherokee in 1870s America. Since both are the same, I assume you’ll just be flipping a coin.

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      There is no such thing as the “political upper class.” Bureaucrats do not form their own class, but are instead a subsection of a broader class, in the case of the USSR, the working classes. Socialism in the USSR and PRC brought a tremendous democratization of society, and solidified power in the hands of the working classes as a whole, who are not distinct from the members of the working classes in the government. Stalinism is not a thing, beyond Stalin’s specific economic policies. The ideology of the USSR and PRC is Marxism-Leninism.

      Further, there is no genocide against Ukrainians, unless you mean the ethnic repressions against native Russians in the Donbass region by Kiev. War is not genocide. The genocide of Palestinians is absolutely genocide as “Israel” is an apartheid regime, but the Russo-Ukrainian war is not a genocide.