My first ever big boy language was C++ (after Basic, and Logo, does anyone remember that lol). I was in middle school, tried to self-learn from learncpp.com, only to realize that I had mostly learned C, with cin-cout instead of printf-scanf. So I just decided to migrate to C. Nowadays, I mostly code in Rust, Go, and Python. But my experience with C has been extremely helpful. Can’t say the same about C++ though.
C++ is useful for learning object oriented programming: Describing what really happens in constructors and destructors, the pros/cons of reference counting and how it actually works (using std::unique_ptr)
These are things that most modern languages try to hide/abstract away, but the underlying problems and limitations never go away, but with C++ you’ll have a better understanding of why they happen.
However, if you go down the rabbit hole of Template Metaprogramming, I agree with the original post: it takes decades to learn and really only
usefulexploitable in C++.How does unique_ptr teach reference counting? It’s just a way to interface with RAII and move semantics
I’ve always preferred the functional approach to programming, so OOP never really intrigued me. That’s one of the reasons why I never liked C++ or Java, but instantly fell in love with Rust. It lets me do a lot of functional style programming, while still being somewhat practical. (I’m looking at you, Haskell.)
Quite a while ago, I wrote this to document my understanding what OOP actually is.
This sentence at the end is interesting:
On the other hand it sounds unlikely that there will be a popular language without object-oriented influences some day, so at least minimal syntax-level support is desirable.
Rust was published like one year later and it can be considered popular by now. Does Rust support OOP via traits? Kind of yes, but so does Haskell with typeclasses.
I have decades of C++ experience. I have never met any C++ developer who hasn’t shot himself in the foot regularly with this damn language.
Most C++ devs blame themselves and not the language though. So it still gets used a lot.
And I fucking love it
I hate java with a passion, C# was fun (but at that time only available through the .Net nightmare) and I grew up with with (Turbo ;-)) Pascal and C
So, I’m feeling rather comfortable and at home with C++
I’d like to do a bigger project in Rust once at least, but with my current project already the compile times are between 20/25 to 45mins (depends, if you have the build server available or if you need to make up with the IPC).
so, I guess, those iterations would become even longer with RustBut I’m also having the advantage, that my applications are running very, very isolated. So I don’t really need to take care about exposure and attacks.
Still… Finding a memory leak or some shared memory fuck up is everything but fun…
Especially as most of the logic runs in kernel space and debugging possibilities are mostly reduced to traces/log files
Still, I love it
Maybe it’s because of the thrill ;-)
But it’s the funniest language IMO, you can do frigging anything with it.
Which is why it causes problems of course.
I need to find the nut meme about programming languages again
Edit: Well this meme at least gets the gist of it
There is a difference between learning a language and be productive with it, and with mastering a language. Being a good software developer is another thing.
The problem with C++ is that it has so many odd quirks that are difficult to learn. Sometimes these quirks are addressed - at the expense of adding new stupid quirks you need to learn.
If the c++ doesn’t address it, just use the c part!! /j
/srs, you mean?
To be clear, the language itself is usually not the big part. You also have to learn the eco-system, libraries, packaging, debugging, etc.
(C++ is still a very “comprehensive” language though)
C99 over all! C99! C99!
C and C++ ask the programmer to deal with things themselves that other more modern languages do for you in the language runtime Memory management would be the big one. It’s more to wrap your head around, but if you can do it, there’s potential for more performance. In my mind, it comes down to a trade off between development time versus CPU time, and CPU time is a lot cheaper these days.
Signed, a Java dev
The language of parentheses is raising its „hand“.
I spent few years using it professionally and mentoring others, but never felt comfortable with it. Small eternities spent fighting the language constructs and solving typing puzzles. My take away is that I could just barely fit the C++ in my head and then there’s no room for anything else. I’m done with it for good.
I have decades of C++ experience. I have never met any C++ developer who hasn’t shot himself in the foot regularly with this damn language.
Developers are the problem. They get language feature envy and so the language they use gets pushed to include the new feature. It’s why a lot of devs hate languages like Go because Go is highly resistant to change. So languages like C++ and C# end up with so many features you can’t possibly know or master all of them.
For some fucking reason devs don’t want to use multiple languages.
My first ever big boy language was C++ (after Basic, and Logo). I was in middle school, tried to self-learn from learncpp.com, only to realize that I had mostly learned C, with cin-cout instead of printf/scanf. So I just decided to migrate to C. Nowadays, I mostly code in Rust, Go, and Python. But my experience with C has been extremely helpful. Can’t say the same about C++ though.
I have decades of C++ experience. I have never met any C++ developer who hasn’t shot himself in the foot regularly with this damn language.
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Oh really? I’ve never heard you mention that before /s
I have decades of C++ experience. I have never met any C++ developer who hasn’t shot himself in the foot regularly with this damn language.
I have decades of C++ experience. I have never met any C++ developer who hasn’t shot himself in the foot regularly with this damn language.
I have decades of C++ experience. I have never met any C++ developer who hasn’t shot himself in the foot regularly with this damn language.
Did you code your own Lemmy client with C++?
What’s the deal of posting same comment many times?
Collecting downvotes?