You are absolutely right that the terms clash and it makes for a confusing label to those on both sides i think. I do prefer to keep using it though because I think that naturally pre-occuring confusion points to something important about the situation. I realize now my earlier framing of communist means and conservative ends was backwards i guess. Since global capital is the true radical force destroying our social fabric, merely conserving the present is not enough. We actually need the conservative discipline of a strong state to impose order and push us forward into a truly emancipatory communist future. I am still unsure if this is the best way to articulate it, but does it make more sense? I feel like I just sound like cowbee now, but I also never felt I disagreed with him in much of anything substantial to begin with
Scattered ideologies (your views are not communist). Bullshit semantics (communist “conservatism”). Terrible takes (“we need conservative discipline of a strong state”).
These people are too kind to you. At least you admit you were confused and wrong. That’s good.
I think it’s best just to avoid the term conservative in general, similar to how I would suggest any socialists organization avoid using the term national socialist. Even if you can clarify the position, and linguistically its technically correct, the label of conservatism is just too loaded.
From our brief interaction It does sound like your views are heavily motivated by environmentalism, I haven’t done much reading on eco-marxism or eco-anarchists, but someone probably has come up with a decent dialectic analasys and some formal terminology. Then again we socialists tend to be shit at naming things do maybe not xD. I wish I could recommend some literature for you but it’s not a direction I’ve studied up on, but I’m sure someone can suggest a properly solarpunk book.
You are absolutely right that the terms clash and it makes for a confusing label to those on both sides i think. I do prefer to keep using it though because I think that naturally pre-occuring confusion points to something important about the situation. I realize now my earlier framing of communist means and conservative ends was backwards i guess. Since global capital is the true radical force destroying our social fabric, merely conserving the present is not enough. We actually need the conservative discipline of a strong state to impose order and push us forward into a truly emancipatory communist future. I am still unsure if this is the best way to articulate it, but does it make more sense? I feel like I just sound like cowbee now, but I also never felt I disagreed with him in much of anything substantial to begin with
Scattered ideologies (your views are not communist). Bullshit semantics (communist “conservatism”). Terrible takes (“we need conservative discipline of a strong state”).
These people are too kind to you. At least you admit you were confused and wrong. That’s good.
I think it’s best just to avoid the term conservative in general, similar to how I would suggest any socialists organization avoid using the term national socialist. Even if you can clarify the position, and linguistically its technically correct, the label of conservatism is just too loaded.
From our brief interaction It does sound like your views are heavily motivated by environmentalism, I haven’t done much reading on eco-marxism or eco-anarchists, but someone probably has come up with a decent dialectic analasys and some formal terminology. Then again we socialists tend to be shit at naming things do maybe not xD. I wish I could recommend some literature for you but it’s not a direction I’ve studied up on, but I’m sure someone can suggest a properly solarpunk book.