• charlieBox@lemmy.zipBanned from community
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    10 days ago

    The three communist/socialist countries I know is China, Vietnam and North Korea and the general public do NOT elect their president. They do vote for local representatives but don’t vote for president. It’s like voting for a city board member who then vote for city mayor who then votes for state governor who then gets to vote for president.

    Labor is not the workers only commodity. Workers in USA own land, they own 401ks, they have private businesses that employ others. Which btw, you only lease land from the government in China. You do not own land. Also, China only saw prosperity after adopting capitalist style business models.

    Who are the capitalist you’re talking about? Everyone in USA is a capitalist when we go grocery shopping or buy a new car. We the people decide market price.

    Explain Moa, explain Kim Jung un.

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      The DPRK actually does have direct elections at all levels for government positions, but regardless, democracy is not “has direct elections,” it’s rule by the majority.

      As for “workers” owning capital, this makes them petite bourgeoisie, in essence petty capitalists. The US Empire is an imperialist country, and so is able to bribe the working classes into siding with capital using the spoils from the global south. Having a business and paying others to work for you, without needing to labor yourself, is being a capitalist, not a worker.

      As for the US, going to the store does not make you a capitalist, it makes you a consumer. The people do not decide the price, what decides the price of commodities is the socially necessary labor time going into the commodity, as well as factors like rent, supply and demand, and more that cause price to fluctuate around their values. People do not just think “I will pay 1 dollar for a car” and get it, cost of production is what has the biggest impact on price.

      As for leasing land in China, this is why 90% of people own their home there.