I’ve been job hunting for months and you won’t believe how often I’ve had the exact same reply of “ohh this doesn’t reflect your skills we just wanted someone who matches our expectations more” ITS INSANE.
Don’t fucking sugar coat it just tell me what’s wrong so I can improve further applications ongg. But if you’re searching for someone with 5 years experience with <specific technology/field> and I bring 8+ and I’m still not good enough, I don’t believe you.
The job market isn’t nearly as bad as the job-seeking process. Hiring managers don’t actually know what they want or what their businesses need done. Software is so hyper-specific and skills so conditional that you either needed to be onboarded straight out of college or get incredibly lucky in your job rotation to land on the one critical bit of information all the demand revolves around. Automated tools and services ingest a ton of spam that HR still needs to sift through. Recruiters are as happy to lure away your staff as help you find new people.
The jobs are out there. But it’s an absolute fucking mess to find them.
What they probably meant was “we already decided who was going to get the job before the recruitment process began. It’s someone we already know and like.”
Same 😭 job description says they want 3 to 5 years experience. I have 22. They went with someone else 🤷♀️ been job searching since March and not a single bite.
Seriously. I got rejected and I’m thinking I have 10 years of experience and a master’s degree in this shit and that’s not good enough?? It’d be nice if they told us what else we were supposed to put on the application.
I interviewed at a place I have actually worked at before. Twice. I applied to a position on one of the teams/project that I contributed to significantly. Seemed like a safe bet to get me out of my current toxic job. In the end, I was rejected for not having the experience they were looking for. Like what?? I literally wrote a good portion of the code in that project. What does that even mean?
Oh man, I remember having an interview with a hungarian team for a videochat platform (I wasn’t fully aware that its related to videochat or pornography until the end of the interview), the technical lead corrected me on what CORS is, and he did it wrongfully. I opened mozilla docs for CORS and proved to him that I was right, he told me that using external sources during interviews is forbidden and rejected me. This was quite a few good years before covid happened and I am so glad I didn’t join that shit team.
Honestly that just sounds like a small dick mega insecure asshole and it’s probably for the best you didn’t join that team. If you got the job they prolly woulda blown their lid off every time you corrected them
just tell me what’s wrong so I can improve further applications
Generally, they are terrified of giving more feedback than absolutely necessary. They might incur an accusation of unfair hiring practices. Similar story on ‘references’, confirm only employment dates, never provide a qualitative assessment, good or bad.
I always tailor my resume to a specific job application, but then I habe mever had to fire off more than a handful of resumes at a time. Incredible how different job markets are for different professions!
I hear you; I’ve been looking for a new job since December, and increased the range of my search since I was forced out of my old job in May. The market is hella rough out there.
However, there was one position I interviewed for where the recruiter actually gave me feedback on where I fell short compared to other candidates. It was incredibly refreshing compared to the form letter rejection.
What helped for me was to talk to people/companies with whom I wasn’t applying for a job. I’m looking for a junior swe role (in this market). I’ve learned a few things from replies I got from actual applications, but I learned most by networking. For example, I went to this agency that only works with seniors, but I had a really great conversation. The guy was interested in me as a developer, but he couldn sell my lack of experienve to his clients. We had a great conversation about software, careerpaths and also about my job hunt. He gave some tips te rewrite my cv and how to stick out during applications. Since that day, I’ve gotten twice as many callbacks. No job yet, but i’ve got good prospects.
oh dude, you got rejected without an interview? they didn’t even look at your resume.
are you new to job hunting? i hire for my job. we reject 90% of applicants without even looking at the resumes, because we get so many and they are terrible. most applicants don’t even change up their resume for the job/company and it’s obvious.
the issue is that most applicant spam any/every job with the same generic resume and expect to get picked based on that. they won’t.
we pick people who actually have a relevant resume and cover letter and show us they actually want to work for us. crazy idea!
it’s so bad when i was running a volunteer org… we’d get constant spam for people seeking full time professional work… and to get paid like 80k/yr for volunteer positions… people are fucking idiots. we used to reply and be lik e’oh sorry we are volunteer only’ and they’d reply back and go to tell us to fuck ourselves… so we stopped trying to even bother and just send anything with a resume to the trash folder.
people whine online about not getting picked… but having been on the other end of it… you don’t get ‘picked’ because so much of what you are sending out is trash/garbage.
Every application gets a tailored cover letter that highlights how my CV aligns with requirements from posting. CV does not change, it’s not generic, it’s my individual education, skills and experience. If you expect tailored resumes, you will have more unreasonable expectations once hired, glad to dodge that bullet.
The expectation is that you show us you actually want to work here, what an unreasonable expectation!
And the funny thing is it’s a great workplace… because anyone who is only here for a paycheck gets axed, and the people who work here actually want to work here and stay for years/decades because it’s such a great place to work. Our entire programming team has been here between 5-30 years. How many work places do you know keep employees for that long?
I’ve been job hunting for months and you won’t believe how often I’ve had the exact same reply of “ohh this doesn’t reflect your skills we just wanted someone who matches our expectations more” ITS INSANE.
Don’t fucking sugar coat it just tell me what’s wrong so I can improve further applications ongg. But if you’re searching for someone with 5 years experience with <specific technology/field> and I bring 8+ and I’m still not good enough, I don’t believe you.
Apparently they don’t tell you because then you could sue them over it.
So they give a generic reason that doesn’t really have any metrics. The problem is that it’s useless as feedback.
I’ve been job searching for 2 years (I was employed) then I got canned. The job market sucks even with the experience they’re asking for.
I’ve almost given up entirely. I think I’ve applied to every job I could find. Never thought I’d enter early retirement involuntarily like this haha
The job market isn’t nearly as bad as the job-seeking process. Hiring managers don’t actually know what they want or what their businesses need done. Software is so hyper-specific and skills so conditional that you either needed to be onboarded straight out of college or get incredibly lucky in your job rotation to land on the one critical bit of information all the demand revolves around. Automated tools and services ingest a ton of spam that HR still needs to sift through. Recruiters are as happy to lure away your staff as help you find new people.
The jobs are out there. But it’s an absolute fucking mess to find them.
What they probably meant was “we already decided who was going to get the job before the recruitment process began. It’s someone we already know and like.”
Or “we weren’t actually hiring anyone for the position, but we have to keep running interviews so that our competitors don’t know that”
I often ask at the end of in-person interviews what I could improve upon. I normally get some good constructive feedback.
Same 😭 job description says they want 3 to 5 years experience. I have 22. They went with someone else 🤷♀️ been job searching since March and not a single bite.
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I might not even go back to uni at this rate, absolutely no fucking jobs in any field of tech.
Seriously. I got rejected and I’m thinking I have 10 years of experience and a master’s degree in this shit and that’s not good enough?? It’d be nice if they told us what else we were supposed to put on the application.
I interviewed at a place I have actually worked at before. Twice. I applied to a position on one of the teams/project that I contributed to significantly. Seemed like a safe bet to get me out of my current toxic job. In the end, I was rejected for not having the experience they were looking for. Like what?? I literally wrote a good portion of the code in that project. What does that even mean?
Oh man, I remember having an interview with a hungarian team for a videochat platform (I wasn’t fully aware that its related to videochat or pornography until the end of the interview), the technical lead corrected me on what CORS is, and he did it wrongfully. I opened mozilla docs for CORS and proved to him that I was right, he told me that using external sources during interviews is forbidden and rejected me. This was quite a few good years before covid happened and I am so glad I didn’t join that shit team.
Honestly that just sounds like a small dick mega insecure asshole and it’s probably for the best you didn’t join that team. If you got the job they prolly woulda blown their lid off every time you corrected them
Generally, they are terrified of giving more feedback than absolutely necessary. They might incur an accusation of unfair hiring practices. Similar story on ‘references’, confirm only employment dates, never provide a qualitative assessment, good or bad.
when i was last searching so many people told me how nice my resume is and yet i was still passed over.
I always tailor my resume to a specific job application, but then I habe mever had to fire off more than a handful of resumes at a time. Incredible how different job markets are for different professions!
I hear you; I’ve been looking for a new job since December, and increased the range of my search since I was forced out of my old job in May. The market is hella rough out there.
However, there was one position I interviewed for where the recruiter actually gave me feedback on where I fell short compared to other candidates. It was incredibly refreshing compared to the form letter rejection.
What helped for me was to talk to people/companies with whom I wasn’t applying for a job. I’m looking for a junior swe role (in this market). I’ve learned a few things from replies I got from actual applications, but I learned most by networking. For example, I went to this agency that only works with seniors, but I had a really great conversation. The guy was interested in me as a developer, but he couldn sell my lack of experienve to his clients. We had a great conversation about software, careerpaths and also about my job hunt. He gave some tips te rewrite my cv and how to stick out during applications. Since that day, I’ve gotten twice as many callbacks. No job yet, but i’ve got good prospects.
ya, networking is my achilles heel
what’s wrong is you weren’t as hot or fun as the other candidate.
looks and personality matter way more than your resume.
Well for one if you only get my resume and decline immediately you can’t judge my humor as you’ve never interacted with me.
Gotta staple nudes to the front of it.
I tend to write my cover letters at 0137 on way too much caffeine. I get the callbacks, so something in that must be working.
oh dude, you got rejected without an interview? they didn’t even look at your resume.
are you new to job hunting? i hire for my job. we reject 90% of applicants without even looking at the resumes, because we get so many and they are terrible. most applicants don’t even change up their resume for the job/company and it’s obvious.
the issue is that most applicant spam any/every job with the same generic resume and expect to get picked based on that. they won’t.
we pick people who actually have a relevant resume and cover letter and show us they actually want to work for us. crazy idea!
it’s so bad when i was running a volunteer org… we’d get constant spam for people seeking full time professional work… and to get paid like 80k/yr for volunteer positions… people are fucking idiots. we used to reply and be lik e’oh sorry we are volunteer only’ and they’d reply back and go to tell us to fuck ourselves… so we stopped trying to even bother and just send anything with a resume to the trash folder.
people whine online about not getting picked… but having been on the other end of it… you don’t get ‘picked’ because so much of what you are sending out is trash/garbage.
Every application gets a tailored cover letter that highlights how my CV aligns with requirements from posting. CV does not change, it’s not generic, it’s my individual education, skills and experience. If you expect tailored resumes, you will have more unreasonable expectations once hired, glad to dodge that bullet.
The expectation is that you show us you actually want to work here, what an unreasonable expectation!
And the funny thing is it’s a great workplace… because anyone who is only here for a paycheck gets axed, and the people who work here actually want to work here and stay for years/decades because it’s such a great place to work. Our entire programming team has been here between 5-30 years. How many work places do you know keep employees for that long?
I’ve had three employers that had similar retention covering most of my corporate career.